Upcoming tariffs on vehicles made outside the US

[HammerTheWall]

Virtually every negative you site about first term was due to, and after covid. I'm talking BEFORE covid. The first 3 years. Record low unemployment. Inflation BELOW 2%. Mortgage rates at near record to record lows. People died because of covid and you blame trump? Lol. Well you should hate Biden because even more people died from covid while he was in office than did under Trump.

Violent crimes went up during and after Covid, not before. They did the same under Biden, kept going up, or maybe you didn't notice. It was so bad several large Metropolitan (read Democrat) areas STOPPED REPORTING violent crime rates so as to keep it from looking even worse. House prices went up? That jump was WAY MORE during Bidens term. We got a good price on our home when we bought it. Under Biden the price has inflated to higher than we could afford to purchase it for, should we be trying to buy it now. Federal debt did rise, and I was not a fan, but vast majority of that was in response to covid and forced shutting down industry to "stop the spread." Guess what, your boy Biden then spent even more and outdid Trumps adding to the national debt to the tune of historic numbers.

You are simply wrong, and thank goodness the American people can see what you are hell bent to die on the hill for. Biden and the Democrat policies were horrific for our country. That's why Trump was re-elected. With a near Reagan level of dominance in the electoral college I might add, as well as winning the popular vote as a whole.

It's easy to call things a win when you only look at part of the picture. I bet anyone can look great if you only focus on the good stuff.

Yes, I blame Trump for COVID deaths. He said so many times that it was nothing, it was under control, it would disappear, it was one Chinese person on a plane...the list goes on. The response was on him. Remember what you said - the president should have the best interest of the people. Does it sound like he had that going for him with his COVID response? Nope. Did the next administration have response plan? Yep.

Popular vote...lowest margin, right? 1.5% difference? Not the win you think it is.

As for all of the other stuff...lots of opinion, no numbers.

And again, "my boy Biden"...reading comprehension. Try it. As I said, I don't care about Republican or Democrat, and have never once in this entire discourse praised Biden once. Keep showing the world that you have not facts and make incorrect assumptions, it's okay.

 

[HammerTheWall]

@HammerTheWall if you wanna sell your Tesla at pennies on the dollar I'm all ears.

I'd never own a Tesla. Never liked them, never wanted one. The truck thing is laughable. I love the video where it's stuck on the side of the street in a few inches of snow and a little Honda passes it by.

 

[neema2k]

Everyone's got good points here. We should agree to disagree but not hate each other. Sounds like every person going back and forth here is a genuinely good person and wants what's best for America.
It's Sunday, go for a drive on the LC and let this work of art and engineering marvel put a smile on your face.

 

[Skidaddl]

That's really to bad. The last gen Tundra (built through 2021) is LEGENDARY in terms of dependability, reliability, and capability. Truly an amazing truck and very high quality. And built right here in Texas, the good ole U S of A

I can second that, being the original owner of a first-year 2nd gen (2007) Tundra 4x4 Crewmax Limited built in Texas. Best, most reliable vehicle I've ever owned (in 40 years of owning vehicles).

Still driving it today with a pinch under 600,000km on it, but has been relegated to work truck since picking up my 2025 LC in January.

 

[RUN-8]

This whole thing is so woefully inaccurate it's hilarious.

Please show me one concrete example of a kid getting a sociology degree so they can work as an assistant manager at a GAP. I'll bet you can't find one. Based on that comment I bet you don't even know what jobs can be fulfilled by having a sociology degree. Hopefully you'll do some research and figure it out though, but I would also bet you won't.

I love the mentality of "fall in line, don't question anything, do what we tell you, if not you're a "shit bag student, shitty parent, or a shitbird administrator". Obviously coming from the perspective of someone who doesn't know why sociology degrees are needed...shocker.

As far as "legitimately marketable and useful (aka difficult and demanding)", that's as equally uninformed and clueless as not knowing why sociology degrees are needed. I'd love to hear your take on the list of degrees that you approve of and then do an analysis of all of the things that you can say goodbye to because of what's excluded. Hilariously uninformed.

As for your thoughts on Biden...no real shocker there based on your limited educational knowledge.

I have a bachelors degree FYI, I was 3 credit hours from a dual major but got recalled to active duty to go do things in a sandbox.

No one sets out to get something like a sociology degree to be assistant manager at the GAP. That’s just what the result ends up being far far too often.

A bachelors degree in sociology for example doesn’t get someone very far, as you pointed out in another post that means you go to school even longer. Get your masters, pursue a PhD! Take on more student loan debt. Now you are qualified to be a social worker! Sure you doubled or tripled your debt, but now you too can make social worker salary in your area, feels good man. Now you’re around 26 years old and have over $100K in student loan debt, and your average income potential is not commensurate with that level of investment.

I would suggest young people considering higher education carefully consider the return on investment of the field they plan to study. There are tools available now to explore that. Certainly better than what was available to be in the late 90’s and early 00’s.

A good place to start might be here: Home - FREOPP. They used to have a good tool that ranked ROI on degree programs highest to lowest by state. Everything from technical programs to traditional bachelors programs for undergraduate degrees.

No one teaches kids about how money works in our failed public schools, so they lack the knowledge and tools to understand what crushing debt can do to them when they lack the earning potential to get that monkey off their back. No one teaches them about compound interest either, which is a shame I try to explain to my younger coworkers about the importance of investing in their future but most don’t grasp it. I guess my business finance classes paid off a little for me at least.

As for usefulness of degrees I have observed quite a few examples personally.

I have a bachelors in marketing management, and almost had a logistics and transportation degree finished. Finding gainful employment wasn’t difficult, I found out too late that I hate office jobs. So after two years post military service of doing that I hired out on the RR…. I make a lot more money and I can be myself. At least I use the finance and economics stuff I learned. Anyone can benefit from that personally. It should be mandatory in high school, but that’s like my opinion man.

My wife’s degree is utterly worthless. Interior design. We don’t live in a major metro area, no demand for it. She ironically works for a bank, and has been learning all about basic financial tools. Prior to that she worked for the US National Park Service (an organization filled with lazy hippies in her estimation), and at a small medical clinic scheduling providers, doing patient access things, and generally acting as the office manager. Thankfully she had very minimal student loans and completed her first two years free of charge at a community college.

My wife’s closest cousin ended up getting a PhD in English Literature. It took 15 years for her to finally get a full time job teaching at the college level and she will never achieve tenure. Prior to that she would teach as an adjunct professor and worked at a FedEx store to get by. She’s very very smart, but chose a path that set her back financially.

My wife’s other cousin, the younger brother to the aforementioned English Literature professor, is a different story. MENSA level IQ, knew what he wanted to do from the first day I met him when he was maybe 12 years old. Undergrad in aerospace engineering, then a masters in aerospace engineering. All free of charge because mo-fo’s in the 99th percentile on the SAT who keep a 4.0 get scholarships. He would guide fly fishing in Idaho in the summer, his last summer guiding before finishing grad school he would get flown all over on his days off by companies head hunting him. He had a job lined up the instant he finished. Guy is literally a rocket surgeon er I mean scientist.

 

[HammerTheWall]

I have a bachelors degree FYI, I was 3 credit hours from a dual major but got recalled to active duty to go do things in a sandbox.

No one sets out to get something like a sociology degree to be assistant manager at the GAP. That’s just what the result ends up being far far too often.

A bachelors degree in sociology for example doesn’t get someone very far, as you pointed out in another post that means you go to school even longer. Get your masters, pursue a PhD! Take on more student loan debt. Now you are qualified to be a social worker! Sure you doubled or tripled your debt, but now you too can make social worker salary in your area, feels good man. Now you’re around 26 years old and have over $100K in student loan debt, and your average income potential is not commensurate with that level of investment.

I would suggest young people considering higher education carefully consider the return on investment of the field they plan to study. There are tools available now to explore that. Certainly better than what was available to be in the late 90’s and early 00’s.

A good place to start might be here: Home - FREOPP. They used to have a good tool that ranked ROI on degree programs highest to lowest by state. Everything from technical programs to traditional bachelors programs for undergraduate degrees.

No one teaches kids about how money works in our failed public schools, so they lack the knowledge and tools to understand what crushing debt can do to them when they lack the earning potential to get that monkey off their back. No one teaches them about compound interest either, which is a shame I try to explain to my younger coworkers about the importance of investing in their future but most don’t grasp it. I guess my business finance classes paid off a little for me at least.

As for usefulness of degrees I have observed quite a few examples personally.

I have a bachelors in marketing management, and almost had a logistics and transportation degree finished. Finding gainful employment wasn’t difficult, I found out too late that I hate office jobs. So after two years post military service of doing that I hired out on the RR…. I make a lot more money and I can be myself. At least I use the finance and economics stuff I learned. Anyone can benefit from that personally. It should be mandatory in high school, but that’s like my opinion man.

My wife’s degree is utterly worthless. Interior design. We don’t live in a major metro area, no demand for it. She ironically works for a bank, and has been learning all about basic financial tools. Prior to that she worked for the US National Park Service (an organization filled with lazy hippies in her estimation), and at a small medical clinic scheduling providers, doing patient access things, and generally acting as the office manager. Thankfully she had very minimal student loans and completed her first two years free of charge at a community college.

My wife’s closest cousin ended up getting a PhD in English Literature. It took 15 years for her to finally get a full time job teaching at the college level and she will never achieve tenure. Prior to that she would teach as an adjunct professor and worked at a FedEx store to get by. She’s very very smart, but chose a path that set her back financially.

My wife’s other cousin, the younger brother to the aforementioned English Literature professor, is a different story. MENSA level IQ, knew what he wanted to do from the first day I met him when he was maybe 12 years old. Undergrad in aerospace engineering, then a masters in aerospace engineering. All free of charge because mo-fo’s in the 99th percentile on the SAT who keep a 4.0 get scholarships. He would guide fly fishing in Idaho in the summer, his last summer guiding before finishing grad school he would get flown all over on his days off by companies head hunting him. He had a job lined up the instant he finished. Guy is literally a rocket surgeon er I mean scientist.

I agree, not all degrees work for making a lot of money and also don't work in all locales. Not everyone needs to go beyond a 4-year degree either. No arguments there. I'll check out the link - thanks for providing it!

It's funny how much locale can change things. I work with a few large clients that would love to get someone with interior design experience. They do a lot of bespoke design for high-end shoppers in brick and mortal stores. But as you said, other places it's not a need. I have a close friend with a Masters in English Lit that has been gainfully employed with a state government for over 10 years; she got the job right after graduating. State salaries aren't the highest, but the perks are amazing - I envy the build-up of sick and vacation/holiday time! But our own personal experiences in relation to these topics are anecdotal (mine included) and require a higher level of study.

One of the major issues is that the degrees that lead to jobs that don't pay a lot are vital to our communities. They often get overlooked, and it's a labor of love for some of those jobs. I think they're just asking for a fair wage, as many jobs now pay way less than they should. Community and mental health, which comes in many varieties, are crucial to our country's overall well-being. Sometimes it's a no-win situation...I think of teachers, responsible for the next generations of our country, being underpaid and footing the bill personally for supplies in some places - it's crazy.

Since education curriculum is mostly a state responsibility, often at the school district level, that's where the change needs to occur. We need to look at how other first-world countries have structured education. I have the same opinion - finance and economics should be taught more in public schools. Everyone should have at least a basic understanding of that! When I graduated, in the college prep curriculum, we had one 6-week section on finance. Many kids now don't even get that.

 

[APIOQM]

I don’t have an opinion on the matter, but I have to commend the two gentleman for writing such long posts and have a good ol’ debate.

 

[1streamer]

I don’t have an opinion on the matter, but I have to commend the two gentleman for writing such long posts and have a good ol’ debate.

lol no competition there.

 

[1streamer]

Clear pictures of where people get their news, stats and where they sit politically. Sadly the long winded stuff tends to be too cherry picked and it has derailed anything that could have been resourceful.
I’ll be updating in a few days if the great tariff scare had any affect on my upcoming purchase…

 

[RUN-8]

I agree, not all degrees work for making a lot of money and also don't work in all locales. Not everyone needs to go beyond a 4-year degree either. No arguments there. I'll check out the link - thanks for providing it!

It's funny how much locale can change things. I work with a few large clients that would love to get someone with interior design experience. They do a lot of bespoke design for high-end shoppers in brick and mortal stores. But as you said, other places it's not a need. I have a close friend with a Masters in English Lit that has been gainfully employed with a state government for over 10 years; she got the job right after graduating. State salaries aren't the highest, but the perks are amazing - I envy the build-up of sick and vacation/holiday time! But our own personal experiences in relation to these topics are anecdotal (mine included) and require a higher level of study.

One of the major issues is that the degrees that lead to jobs that don't pay a lot are vital to our communities. They often get overlooked, and it's a labor of love for some of those jobs. I think they're just asking for a fair wage, as many jobs now pay way less than they should. Community and mental health, which comes in many varieties, are crucial to our country's overall well-being. Sometimes it's a no-win situation...I think of teachers, responsible for the next generations of our country, being underpaid and footing the bill personally for supplies in some places - it's crazy.

Since education curriculum is mostly a state responsibility, often at the school district level, that's where the change needs to occur. We need to look at how other first-world countries have structured education. I have the same opinion - finance and economics should be taught more in public schools. Everyone should have at least a basic understanding of that! When I graduated, in the college prep curriculum, we had one 6-week section on finance. Many kids now don't even get that.

I’d love to discuss this more. Alas, duty calls.

Headed west today.

 

[supernova]

All I would say these inconsistencies in US Policy decisions every 4 years are going to hurt US in the long run.
If Trump had 8 years then I would see some policies working, but with only effectively 3.5 years now, it will be hard to make these dramatic change that he is hoping to make.
-- Go Electric, don't go electric
--Yes Ukraine No Ukraine
--Yes Tariff, No Tariff
Most business are just going to sit on the sidelines and wait out the storm

 

[Buckfever]

I love my Landcruiser but I think these vehicles are overpriced without a discount and I sure wouldn't have paid another 18K if they were needing to pass on the tariff in a model specific way. Toyota - Lexus has USA made options. I wonder how they will handle the pricing whether they will absorb the tariffs on the imports and then spread the price increase across the all models.

 

[t3lcfe]

Just addressing this specific statement:

• Zero instances of fraud or corruption. Those result in charges, and no charges have been filed for fraud or corruption. So, we can rule that out.
• National Parks budget 2023: $3.1 billion. Output: $55.6 billion.
  • About 325.5 million people spent $26.4 billion in communities around the parks
  • This spending supported 415,400 jobs and provided $19.4 billion in labor income
  • Understanding the ramifications of this one "waste" cut is important - it was not waste, in fact, the opposite.
• VA cuts of 80,000 jobs include many, many veterans, and at a time when veterans need the VA services the most.
  • What do you think the effects of cutting those jobs will have on veterans, employed or not by the VA, will be?
  • Is taking care of veterans wasteful?
  • Removal of DEI protected disabled veterans from being passed over for employment. Nearly 30% of federal employees are veterans, and 50% of those are disabled. Is ensuring those veterans, disabled or not, can expect equal opportunity, wasteful?
  • From March 2023 to March 2024, an additional 400,000 veterans enrolled in the VA, a 30% increase from the prior year. Does it make sense to call these cuts "waste" when enrollment is increasing?

These are just two examples. I'm sure there are many that can could fall on one side of the fence or the other, but I'd rather see a well-thought out plan being implemented to cut waste rather than some randomly hired DOGE people run by an unelected goon, who can't report their "wins" correctly, who don't have a clue and fire and try to rehire people from multiple agencies (now that's efficiency ) at a cost of what, $8-10 million/day?

Majority Americans agreed and supported DOGE. We wanted and voted for that.
Where do you get all your “numbers”?
We do not buy those. Keep them with you. I can take all days long to talk about it, but not here in this forum!

I don’t think bringing “nonsenses / endless ” politics in this LCforum is “make sense”. Stop it before LCforum is no longer as it was designed intentionally.

Peace and Happy LC.

 

[mdoged]

Has anyone heard anything from any dealers on any increase? I mean other than speculation… There’s already dealers out there marking up above MSRP before any of the tariff talk started and people buying over MSRP
We have a deposit on a 4Runner and stay in close contact with the dealer - It’s due within the next couple weeks and they are still saying no increase.

I have not seen any changes in price. Mid-atlantic area they are still pretty heavily discounted. I ordered some center caps from local dealer this week and when I picked them up they had 13 land cruisers on their lot. 9 - 1958s and 4 - LCs. All were discounted.

If people aren't buying them at sticker today, why do people think it's going to be covid all over again?? Supply is not effected and demand will be driven down by artificially higher prices. I am not saying prices won't go up if tariffs go in effect, but where is this thought that demand will explode and people will pay markups coming from...it makes no sense to me.

 

[Buckfever]

I have not seen any changes in price. Mid-atlantic area they are still pretty heavily discounted. I ordered some center caps from local dealer this week and when I picked them up they had 13 land cruisers on their lot. 9 - 1958s and 4 - LCs. All were discounted.

If people aren't buying them at sticker today, why do people think it's going to be covid all over again?? Supply is not effected and demand will be driven down by artificially higher prices. I am not saying prices won't go up if tariffs go in effect, but where is this thought that demand will explode and people will pay markups coming from...it makes no sense to me.

I agree with this 100%. Demand has weakened substantially, that's why we've been seeing the discounting. Where is the demand going to come from to support higher prices? I don't see any stimulus proposed here in the short run that could offset this.

 

[HammerTheWall]

Majority Americans agreed and supported DOGE. We wanted and voted for that.
Where do you get all your “numbers”?
We do not buy those. Keep them with you. I can take all days long to talk about it, but not here in this forum!

I don’t think bringing “nonsenses / endless ” politics in this LCforum is “make sense”. Stop it before LCforum is no longer as it was designed intentionally.

Peace and Happy LC.

Proof that facts hurt. The numbers are publicly available. Struggling with being able to research facts? That's a real shocker. Whether or not you "buy those" or not is irrelevant - facts don't care about your feelings.

And guess what? Nobody voted for DOGE...there are no DOGE elected officials. More proof that education is important.

Telling me to stop it after you've weighed in is a little hypocritical, isn't it?

 

[HammerTheWall]

Clear pictures of where people get their news, stats and where they sit politically. Sadly the long winded stuff tends to be too cherry picked and it has derailed anything that could have been resourceful.
I’ll be updating in a few days if the great tariff scare had any affect on my upcoming purchase…

I have consistently said I do not fall on either the Republic or Democrat side, anyone drawing their own conclusion otherwise is probably showing their bias. I have shown facts, which anyone can verify, and made it clear where I expressed an opinion.

Facts don't lie. They simply are.

And legitimately hoping that tariffs won't affect the price of your, or anyone else's vehicles. They will be a disaster if they end up on the on again end of on again/off again/on again/off again.

 

[ET2041]

I also bought my new LC on Wednesday! Feeling pretty blessed as I wasn’t planning on it and had a deposit down for a mudbath TRD PRO. Decided to drive it to get a feel for the new hybrid engine. Drove it. Loved it. Bought it! Got home that night and saw the news about the tariffs. This is my first LC. I’ve always wanted one and ended up having 6 4 runners in my lifetime.
Congrats on yours!

I am also doing the same. I have a deposit on a TRD Pro that has yet to get on the boat to the US. This past weekend I decided to test drive a LC/LC and loved it. I am closing on a LC/LC Premium on Wednesday April 2nd. I have a black/red TRD Pro with money down and am planning on asking for my deposit back soon. I received good money for my 2012 Trail edition 4runner in trade. Very happy to squeeze in here before sales get crazy.

 

[jptruck]

I agree with this 100%. Demand has weakened substantially, that's why we've been seeing the discounting. Where is the demand going to come from to support higher prices? I don't see any stimulus proposed here in the short run that could offset this.

Was looking at CarMax for a used Toyota today. A LOT of discounting going on, and quite a bit of inventory. Also seeing a lot of 1958s on there, brand new. Guess they aren't selling as well as the pimped-out models.

 

[1streamer]

I have consistently said I do not fall on either the Republic or Democrat side, anyone drawing their own conclusion otherwise is probably showing their bias. I have shown facts, which anyone can verify, and made it clear where I expressed an opinion.

Facts don't lie. They simply are.

And legitimately hoping that tariffs won't affect the price of your, or anyone else's vehicles. They will be a disaster if they end up on the on again end of on again/off again/on again/off again.

You are just regurgitating talking point numbers that do not paint the whole picture. Tired and old methods and yes it does show who you are…
You’ve shamefully brought Veteran's into the conversation here. You have completely Ignored the purpose of the tariff’s and what has brought us as a country, a society to where we are - notably the last administration and the party and ideology they represent along with the corruption that has festered under those powers.

You seriously lack the ability to “read the room”. You’ve lost everyone with your rants and need to get over yourself.

Edit: Sorry everyone! I found the ignore button and now feel awesome!!!