LC 1958 - 10k Miles. Are the Quirks Endearing or Fatal?
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Maybe the MG was a bad example. The point I'm making is that for a $60k+ car, Toyota missed an opportunity to hit a home run as a result of the minor items and annoyances. I love the styling, drive, and comfort, and still glad I got the truck, but if I were to recommend the vehicle, I'd say, it has the LC badge, but you should know ...
Surely the engineers that designed the system thought about the stuff you mentioned, before making their build decisions. As TCCN mentioned in one of his videos, Toyota mastered the hybrid/hybrid nickel metal hydride battery almost two decades ago. No real reason to have lithium battery fires in their vehicles today.Not a proper engineer here, but I'll try to share some thoughts anyway:
1. Toyota went with nickel-metal hydride battery chemistry which is less power dense than lithium-ion battery i.e. if they went with the latter they could've get the same watt-hours capacity with less battery volume (roughly half of the volume) *
2. there is a bit of room between second row of sits and the battery and the trunk door, they could've use this space to make the battery thinner i.e. in l*w*h = v they could make w and l bigger and h smaller and still get the same battery volume **
summing 1 (better energy density) and 2 (flatter design) in result we could've get smaller "battery step"
* bla bla bla, more durable, wider temperature operating range (I don't 100% agree with that, since there are tons of EVs that are using lithium-ion chemistry and their batteries are not locatedmostlyinside the cabin)
** the space between battery and trunk door is likely a buffer to extend crumple zone in case the truck gets rear ended so it doesn't get on fire
summing 1 (better energy density) and 2 (flatter design) and ** (let's keep that extra crumple zone cause we don't want to get on fire) = we still could've get a tiny bit more trunk space that would be a bit less ugly.
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This will fix your rear lift gate lighting issues. It is VERY bright!
Features Thrown Together - I always assumed the deicer was part of the defrost. I have never had a vehicle with a dedicated deicer. I am curious if this is to only use the deicer and/or if the defrost utilizes it as well?
Infotainment - The Toyota is a much better infotainment setup than my previous couple vehicles. There are some out there that are better, but there are plenty that are worse. As far as replacing the head unit, that ship has sailed for almost every vehicle for the last decade if not more.
Phone App Integration - No it is not perfect. I personally hate when Siri reads a message the music is not muted. Pairing has never been an issue, but I also do not remote start since it is kept in the garage (something that is rare in my neighborhood as most are parked in the driveway).
Driver Safety Aids - There are some setting you can adjust. One of my big issues with my previous Honda Ridgeline was how bad the safety system was. The system would get confused with oncoming vehicles on some curves in the road and beep. More times than not if the Toyota beeps I normally in agreement the situation warrants attention.
Saved Settings Aren’t Permanently Saved - Never had this happen. The Land Cruiser Trim with the larger display has 3 screens you can setup and scroll through. I have one for normal driving and another for towing and another for mpg / tire pressure. Whatever I leave the car with comes up the next time. Now typically my wife does not drive the car, so maybe that has something to do.
Aluminum Good and Bad - Uh yea, you are going to be hard pressed to find a vehicle with a steel hood. The 4Runner is likely one of the last, and that is just because it has been around for over a decade since a redesign.
First-Model-Year Issues - Dealer quality varies, typically any error light is in the manual. I had a rear seal that leaked and the service write mentioned it could take a little longer since the Land Cruiser was new. And sure, there are some unique systems, but a large portion (and most of the serviceable parts are all the same.
The Trunk - Sure, a dome light would be nice. while the load in height is high, in part from the battery, it is also in part to the ground clearance and frame.
Seat Covers - Land Cruiser Trim w/ Premium Package. I am not a huge fan of vinyl seats, and that was part of the reason to get the premium package.
Seat Heating -They work fine for me, I think they may not get as hot as some previous cars but they are not too far.
Every vehicle is going to have some things lacking, but I think a large portion of this list will pop up in almost any alternative.
Infotainment - The Toyota is a much better infotainment setup than my previous couple vehicles. There are some out there that are better, but there are plenty that are worse. As far as replacing the head unit, that ship has sailed for almost every vehicle for the last decade if not more.
Phone App Integration - No it is not perfect. I personally hate when Siri reads a message the music is not muted. Pairing has never been an issue, but I also do not remote start since it is kept in the garage (something that is rare in my neighborhood as most are parked in the driveway).
Driver Safety Aids - There are some setting you can adjust. One of my big issues with my previous Honda Ridgeline was how bad the safety system was. The system would get confused with oncoming vehicles on some curves in the road and beep. More times than not if the Toyota beeps I normally in agreement the situation warrants attention.
Saved Settings Aren’t Permanently Saved - Never had this happen. The Land Cruiser Trim with the larger display has 3 screens you can setup and scroll through. I have one for normal driving and another for towing and another for mpg / tire pressure. Whatever I leave the car with comes up the next time. Now typically my wife does not drive the car, so maybe that has something to do.
Aluminum Good and Bad - Uh yea, you are going to be hard pressed to find a vehicle with a steel hood. The 4Runner is likely one of the last, and that is just because it has been around for over a decade since a redesign.
First-Model-Year Issues - Dealer quality varies, typically any error light is in the manual. I had a rear seal that leaked and the service write mentioned it could take a little longer since the Land Cruiser was new. And sure, there are some unique systems, but a large portion (and most of the serviceable parts are all the same.
The Trunk - Sure, a dome light would be nice. while the load in height is high, in part from the battery, it is also in part to the ground clearance and frame.
Seat Covers - Land Cruiser Trim w/ Premium Package. I am not a huge fan of vinyl seats, and that was part of the reason to get the premium package.
Seat Heating -They work fine for me, I think they may not get as hot as some previous cars but they are not too far.
Every vehicle is going to have some things lacking, but I think a large portion of this list will pop up in almost any alternative.
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For the de-icer, it is a unique feature and not integrated with the defrost. We've had a lot of snow this year, and it has been great. It does a nice job of melting ice that is either caked on the windshield wipers or is pressed up against the bottom of the windshield. Stays on for 15 minutes at a time, which is usually enough, but on a couple of longer trips, I've re-started it when driving in snow. In the Canada models, the de-icer is an integrated button on the instrument panel. In the US, you access it via the touch screen climate settings.
Have been driving a lot in the snow and light off-road and the more I drive the truck, the better it gets. Really handles well.
