LC 250 Hate = It’s REAL

[RCFTE]

Yep, Jason the meathead. But Jason will do a video about the bronco raptor telling viewers that’s it is worth every bit of $ 95,000.0 new and now Ford dealers can’t give them away or sell them for $ 80,000.00. A 2023 bronco raptor that was $ 95,000.00 MSRP 2 years ago is now selling used for $ 67,000.00, but Jason said it was the greatest and worth every penny !

 

[b407driver]

so,,, here is the US sales unit number for 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Sequoia, Tundra, Lexus GX and LX, along with market overall, from 2005 to 2024. (some numbers here and there might be off, since I did it in like 30min,,, )

LC250 sold 29113 units, which isn't too shabby considering January-March 2024 was zero and April was only 94 units. Lexus GX is also off to a good start as well, and combining Lexus LX unit sales results, it seems like Toyota's decision of not having LC300 series in North America was right, after all. In fact, the TNGA-F platform models have increased US market share by nearly full 1 percent, which is quite a feat.
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Interesting to see how 2025 4Runner sales will unfold. If they can achieve 120-140K units and keep LC250 and GX units around 30K-35K, there will be barely any cannibalization. We shall see.

It's actually quite funny after looking at these 20 year historical sales numbers and then watching some YouTubers videos. Many of them are not even hiding that Toyota (negative) reviews get lot of views and they are just doing it for the "content".

All being said, I love watching Throttle House. That LC and 4Runner content today was pure GEM.

Fun numbers to look at. You can practically see the 15k WRX bros buying a 4Runner after realizing their street car won't get them out of wearing a mask all day. Was great for the raptor light market.

 

[Stage7]

Could we drill down on the “terrible acceleration” complaint for a minute?

At no point has it occurred to me that the power in this vehicle was inadequate. It pulls plenty hard up to highway speed. Maybe it’s a bit more powerful on the low end than the high end of RPM, nothing wrong with that in an off-road vehicle.

The worst published 0-60 I’ve seen is mid-7s, which would be about average for a large SUV, and there have been a few published times faster than that. I had a Tahoe and a 6 cylinder E53 BMW that ran 0-60 in the mid 7s and the LC feels faster. It might not be a rocket ship but I’m not getting where the acceleration would be called out as an issue.

Thoughts?

I find the power to be more than enough. The torque and how it pulls up hills is awesome especially at lower speeds. I purchased the LC for lower speed off road driving and have found no problems staying with traffic on the highway. In my opinion the way it handles is more akin to a refined turbo diesel which is a different approach to driving than a gas vehicle. I find easing into the throttle and letting the hybrid motor do it's job gives me more then enough power. I can't see why people are whining about the power on the internet other than to get viewers.

 

[Doggman1525]

FWIW the thumbnail is clickbait but TFL review is actually mostly positive. Some comments about the relative value of the First Edition model but otherwise pokes fun at other youtubers along the lines of "I'm no expert like Demuro or Cammisa, maybe I'm stupid, but I actually like this truck!" Still, as mentioned above, it's not a good idea to place control of your feelings about anything in the hands of others, best just to go out and enjoy your truck. If you do need some external validation to get you out of bed this morning try this:



TL;DR the LC wins and earns the quote "It's a Land Cruiser, it's tough as F!"

 

[what_have_they_done]

I think 250 need to be thought of as modernized 79 series, and not a successor of 200. Different philosophy, practical and confortable, but not luxury. Sad that practical is now $60k+ and luxry is $90k+.