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That is well said and I agree with you 100 percent. It’s head scratching why Toyota overlapped the vehicles so much. And I to think the LC 250 is a much better vehicle than the new forerunner.
LC 250 Hate = It’s REAL
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That is well said and I agree with you 100 percent. It’s head scratching why Toyota overlapped the vehicles so much. And I to think the LC 250 is a much better vehicle than the new forerunner.
To the OP and maybe this was answered, but did you put real tires on your FE?
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I have BFG KO3’S 75 R 18 , Which I believe is like a 33.5 inch tire and I am getting 15-16 MPG’s, and I do not drive like I am driving a RCF TRACK EDITION.
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Very Well said and you are 100 percent correct. The other thing these YouTube jerks do is they
Go on the various forums and search for negative threads to read about and dig up national enquirer type dirt and then they go make a video about it. They basically stalk automobile forums looking for negative dirt on a particular model ie; Tundra for example and then they go make a negative video about it and get 100,000 views. I actually caught Tim at Pickup truck plus SUV talk doing this on a tundra forum. And he actually has the gall to call himself a journalist.
I would advise if any of them come on this forum do not engage with them because they are using the forum for their own financial gain thru negative and false info.
Not much to be said that hasn't already, except I'll add something: I bought 100 series LC in 2002. At the time, forums (yes, they were more popular than other forms of internet media), BASHED the 100 as a bloated, techy, probably unreliable, luxury SUV that wasn't fit to be called a Land Cruiser. I kid you not. Almost didn't buy one. I kept that vehicle for 19 years with nary a problem and now the internet calls the 100 "The GOAT of Land Cruisers". <face palm>
Don't worry about it. If Toyota did in fact produce something worthy of the LC reliability, then it will take care of itself. If they didn't, well, they destroyed the Toyota we know and love. Companies can and do ruin themselves, especially in the auto business. And I puzzle over the overlapping models and price points too (though perhaps they're doing that to win market share and not maximize profitability?) With that caveat, I choose to believe they got it right until proven otherwise.
Don't worry about it. If Toyota did in fact produce something worthy of the LC reliability, then it will take care of itself. If they didn't, well, they destroyed the Toyota we know and love. Companies can and do ruin themselves, especially in the auto business. And I puzzle over the overlapping models and price points too (though perhaps they're doing that to win market share and not maximize profitability?) With that caveat, I choose to believe they got it right until proven otherwise.
I have the KO3s in the stock size and the MPG does suck. I do think the 4 cylinder needs SL tires for good gas mileage. I was getting high 20s and climbing with the stock tires. So maybe that's an argument for the V6 and the heavier tires, BUT a buddy of mine that has the GX 550 is getting 14 so there is that.
For over-landing, a jerry can now gets you farther than in a V8 even though overall fuel tank is small.
hybrid engine is a must, because turbo lag is the worst thing ever.
Frame is from 300 series, its heavy duty.
Only non land cruiser thing about this land cruiser is interior width. And bonnet metal thickness is as thin as on new 79, and that 79 is still the realest cruiser.
200 is less of a real land cruiser than 250. Yes 250 is thicker metals here and there, but it’s also heavy. 200 is a durable luxe. 250 is modernized more practical everyday version of 79.
hybrid engine is a must, because turbo lag is the worst thing ever.
Frame is from 300 series, its heavy duty.
Only non land cruiser thing about this land cruiser is interior width. And bonnet metal thickness is as thin as on new 79, and that 79 is still the realest cruiser.
200 is less of a real land cruiser than 250. Yes 250 is thicker metals here and there, but it’s also heavy. 200 is a durable luxe. 250 is modernized more practical everyday version of 79.
I don't give a shit what some click bait influencer is pedaling. Most of them say the exact same thing. I have over 10k miles on my LC FE and I think it's one of the best vehicles I've owned. Is is a Raptor R? Not even close. But if a high performance truck that you could drive fast across the desert is what you wanted then yes, you should have bought the Ford.
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The social media AI algorithms are tuned to reward negative content because consumers pay more attention to negativity. YouTube (Google), Facebook & Insta (Meta), and others surface hate more than love because people consumer more content and they can sell more ads as a result. YouTubers and others know this so they write negative reviews with splashy headlines.
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Thank You very much. This is what I have been trying to get across and I just did not know the right way to convey the power of social media.
You explained it perfectly.
That doesn’t make it a better vehicle. I have owned three LandCruiser 200s and traded a 2018 for a new LandCruiser 250 First Edition in May of 2024. I have purchased and sold many vehicles and this is the transaction I regret most.
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Is it ok if I ask you why you regretted it the most ?
Story time... My previous vehicle (which I still own) is a 2011 Acura TSX Wagon. This is a very different vehicle from the LC250, obviously.
When it was initially announced, Jalopnik wrote an article absolutely trashing it because it's slow, has a 4-cylinder and no manual. All valid complaints, but it sort of kicked off some hate for the car. It's an odd duck and never sold well. I think they sold <10k of them over the four years they were made.
It is a fantastic little wagon. I've always thought of it as a modern Volvo 240 wagon. It does exactly what it's supposed to do and it does it well. I'm happy I rarely see them around. I won't be hurt if there are fewer LC250s around.
When it was initially announced, Jalopnik wrote an article absolutely trashing it because it's slow, has a 4-cylinder and no manual. All valid complaints, but it sort of kicked off some hate for the car. It's an odd duck and never sold well. I think they sold <10k of them over the four years they were made.
It is a fantastic little wagon. I've always thought of it as a modern Volvo 240 wagon. It does exactly what it's supposed to do and it does it well. I'm happy I rarely see them around. I won't be hurt if there are fewer LC250s around.
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Ok.
Fuel economy is less than advertised compounded by the very small fuel tank. Plastic is everywhere, leather is more like pleather (plastic leather, ride and noise does not compare to the 200. I am actively looking to trade and purchase a Lexus LX
Wish I could! I have been a Toyota supporter for close to half a century. So wish it hadn’t ended.
It’s not like they haven’t gotten bad reviews before.
CD rated the 2020 4Runner as a 4/10
They gave the 2020 LC a 6.5/10
