Those look nice! From what I have learned, the wheels will also fit a LC250, but the tires would have to be limited to about 275 width or less to prevent rubbing on a stock suspension. Could be an opportunity for you guys to test the market.
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I completely understand that sentiment. We noted this issue and addressed it with Tundra owners as well who were reluctant to install 17" wheels after experiencing issues with Method wheels early on.
From what I understand, the 17" Method wheels weren't designed for the larger Toyota OEM brakes on the new trucks, so guys were shoehorning the wheels onto the trucks. With at least some of the 17" Method wheels there were issues with stick-on wheel weights dragging on the calipers. I know first hand that some of the 17" Method wheels could only be balanced statically (i.e. with wheels weights on the rear plane only) otherwise the wheel weights would hit the caliper.
Our 17" wheels have high clearance / high strength flow formed barrel that we designed specifically for maximum brake clearance with larger Toyota OEM brakes. You can dynamically balance the wheels using stick on wheel weights without clearance issues.
By the way - the spreadsheet you've created is great. It's a very valuable resource. Thank you.
Thanks! Glad you like the 18x9" BFD.
You're right that the +20mm offset is a pretty aggressive fit on the LC250. We intended that offset to be more for the 2022+ Tundra / 2023+ Sequoia, but I wanted to show it to you since you asked about it. The 18x9" +20mm offset BFD will technically fit the LC250. It is hub centric for the LC250 as well. However, the 9" width / +20mm offset will be a limiting factory on oversized tires with stock suspension. I've seen members of this forum who have installed even more aggressive width/offset combinations, but I'd still say that 9" width / +20mm offset is going to be pretty aggressive for most people.
If you or another member would like to try out a set of 18x9" +20 BFDs or even just come by for a test fit and photo shoot please let me know.
I noticed that RAYS lists 18x9.0 +0 and even -20 wheels with a 265 section tire as fitments for J250, with the "protrudes from fender" warning. This was the basis for my reasoning, since they would have tested it. My wheel guy who carries RAYS also mentioned they have done similar fitments, but recommended aftermarket UCAs, since most buyers want bigger tires than 265s.
These FN BFDs look similar to the six spoke gramLIGHTS 57DR-X, which has been popular for JDM LC250, maybe FN can provide a lower cost alternative that is stocked in the US.
Good luck with expanding your business to the LC/GX community!
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Thanks!
I was also a dealer for Rays wheels for many years. Their forged wheels, while very expensive, are some of the best wheels in the world. The Gramlights wheels aren't typically forged though. Gramlights are still great wheels, just very expensive for what you get in comparison to other wheels.
Also, I don't think that Rays is actually testing those aggressive fitments for wheel well / fender clearance. I believe when they list +0mm or -20mm (negative 20mm) as an option for LC250 they're really just stating that the wheels fit over the brakes. Most likely you could squeeze these wheels onto an LC250 with OEM size tires, but 0mm or negative offset wheels would look a little funky with such small tires on a stock Landcruiser.
One thing to be careful of with Rays wheels when it comes to Toyota trucks, at least based on my experience, is that their lug holes are typically drilled to a 15mm diameter and not drilled very deeply. Toyotas have short wheel studs, particularly on the front hubs of 4x4's. A lot of the big chain installers such as Discount Tire (America's Tire in California) won't install wheels on Toyota trucks unless the wheels accept ET (extended thread) lug nuts and/or they engage a certain number of threads on the stud. ET lugs require a 16.2mm opening so that the shank drops down into he wheel, and since Rays wheels have 15mm openings ET lugs won't work with Rays wheels.
My personal experience is that RAYS and other JDM brands like Bradley or Project Kics sell wheel lugs for M14/6H truck applications made in Japan that local tire shops have no issues using, and provide correct centering. I have also seen 17” Bradley wheels that were drilled for M12 lugs, someone on this forum bought them a while back and had theirs redrilled.
This always rings as complete nonsense to me. There are rocks that can get stuck between the caliper and an 18" wheel, too. Rocks come in all sizes. You never hear of it happening on either.
Regardless, the barrel design of the wheel can play a big difference. A 17" wheel barrel that does not choke down until it's closer to the edge of the wheel can have more clearance to the caliper than an 18" wheel that chokes down nearer the center of the wheel.
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If you make this, I'd be all over it.
There are no 17" wheels available right now that don't poke out like a skateboard and have the correct hub bore.
In fact, the only aftermarket wheels I'm aware of that have the correct hub bore are the 18" Icons.
People think you can fix the hub bore with a hub spacer, but I've always been of the belief that hub-centric wheels are meant for the weight of the vehicle to be put on the hub, not the lugs.
There are a lot more small rocks, in general it's an exponential function. (There's a deep rabbit hole to go down here looking at everything from asteroid sizes to the distribution of rocks at the mars landing sites...) I'm not sure what the "it" is that you've never heard of happening, but I grew up many miles from the nearest paved road and occasionally had to clean gravel laden mud off our vehicles including in the wheels. It's more of a wear and tear thing than a single catastrophic failure thing.
Never the less I think you've both covered the key issue -- at least initially Method didn't design their wheels for this so clearance was poor. It sounds like there's room if the 17" wheel is designed for it.
JAOS wheels are hub centric and are sold at Toyota dealers in Japan.
I installed JAOS Tribe wheels on my LC about two weeks ago. They are of excellent craftsmanship and exact spec. I also put on 275/70/18 tires and there's zero poke. And the inside of the tires are exactly at the same spot relative to the body as the Geolander 245s.
They're basically made for the LC so you can mount larger tires than the factory ones.
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Just googled those and they look awesome. Please post pics.
There is still work to be done with things like rock sliders and fender flares. I compromised on the tires for highway and trails. Some Toyo AT3s may look way better with these wheels.
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Do the black BFD in a +35 offset and take my money.
We can, but it will be a whole new mold and the wheel will need to be substantially flatter (less concave). The other dimensions and design would be similar to the current BFD, but the profile of the face of the wheel would be much flatter. Please see examples / comparison below.
18x9" FN Wheels BFD Flow Formed (0mm ~ +20mm offset)
The spoke profile would be more similar to this design (17" Six Shooter flow formed +25mm ~ +40mm)
An 18" +35mm offset FN BFD would have spokes that are longer just like the 18" low offset BFD, but the profile of spoke / face of the wheel would need to be more forward / slightly convex (not concave) like high positive offset Six Shooter shown above.
These are just the limitations of making a high positive offset wheel design to get the correct fitment on the Landcruiser, but if you guys are receptive to that we'd love to make an 18" BFD with a width and offset that is LC250 appropriate.
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