High Offset Wheels (>=than 40mm)

[DustinFNW]

Hi Land Cruiser Forum members.

I'd love to get some feedback from you guys about a fitment we're considering offering for the 2024+ Landcruiser 250.

First a little background : We make a version of our Five Star wheel in 17x9" +25mm 6x139.7 (95mm hub centric) primarily for the 2022+ Tundra. We plan to release a 17x8.5" +35mm 6x139.7 version later this summer.

After reading through this forum I'm now considering a 17x8.5" +40mm or possibly +42mm option (most likely it will be +40mm). This fitment would work on the other Toyota trucks, but really we'd be making it to satisfy the desires of Landcruiser owners who are looking for high quality, light weight, strong, high offset, hub centric wheels.

Various incarnations of our FN Five Star design have been popular on all different Toyota trucks and SUVs. I feel like this design would really compliment the Landcruiser 250's body lines too, but I'd love to get feedback from everyone here on the forum.

Thus far we have only produced the 17x9" +25 6x139.7 version of the Five Star in matte black. We've also produced the 17x9" +25 5x150 version (for the 2nd Gen Sequoia/Tundra, Landcruiser 100/200) in graphite gunmetal and matte bronze. Attached below are pictures of both the 5-lug and 6-lug version for reference. The face, spokes and lip of the 17x8.5"+40mm 6x139.7 version will be more or less identical to these wheels that I've posted below.

I look forward to hearing what you guys think.

Thanks,

Dustin
FN Wheels

FN Wheels Five Star – Flow Formed (PROPOSED SPECS FOR TOYOTA LANDCRUISER 250)
Diameter: 17″
Width: 8.5″
Offset: +40mm
Backspacing: 6.32″
Bolt Pattern (PCD): 6×139.7mm
Center Bore: 95.2mm hub centric
Load Rating: 2,500lbs w/ up to a 37″ tire diameter (SAE J2530 test standard)
Wheel Weight: 22.9lbs (approximate)
Additional notes: Compatible with extended thread (ET) lug nuts for maximum stud engagement. High strength/high clearance flow formed barrel design to provide maximum brake caliper clearance. Reinforced lips/flanges for strength and durability on and off-road. Raised bead humps with knurled bead seats for improved bead retention at low tire pressures. Knurled bead seats also help to prevent bead slippage that sometimes occurs from the high torque output of hybrid motors.

 

[stec06]

I'd love a Countersteer Type X in LC fitment... would be ALL over that.

 

[Beach Cruiser]

I think the 5 Star would look great on my LC!

 

[CFC]

They would look great on my cruiser

 

[D-mac]

I don’t have the data to prove it, but I suspect at least half of USA LC250 aftermarket wheel buyers will pick a wheel with lower offset than +40. Much of the aftermarket seems to be driven by those who want a more “aggressive” look.

 

[Alpha Puppy]

I don’t have the data to prove it, but I suspect at least half of USA LC250 aftermarket wheel buyers will pick a wheel with lower offset than +40. Much of the aftermarket seems to be driven by those who want a more “aggressive” look.

Not me, but sadly, you're probably right. Form over function combined with there is no accounting for taste.

 

[Markarian421]

I don’t have the data to prove it, but I suspect at least half of USA LC250 aftermarket wheel buyers will pick a wheel with lower offset than +40. Much of the aftermarket seems to be driven by those who want a more “aggressive” look.

Yeah but I’ve seen a lot of those folks subsequently selling them on Facebook etc. when they realize all the problems they cause on a stock vehicle.

 

[jcdeng]

I don't want my wheels to poke, already having difficulty squeezing by double parked vehicles here in nyc on my daily driving. And there are a lot of double parked vans/delivery trucks here in NYC's narrow streets.

 

[D-mac]

Yeah but I’ve seen a lot of those folks subsequently selling them on Facebook etc. when they realize all the problems they cause on a stock vehicle.

I get the impression that if people want stock offsets there are a couple of OEM Toyota options which are around $250-300 a wheel (except for the forged TRD/BBS).

 

[RcvrdOutback]

This is the perfect offset for my needs. And a great option for a more classic looking wheel. I’d be very interested in a set of these when I’m ready to upgrade.

 

[jcdeng]

I like the more mesh/multi spoke look, suits big rigs better. The looks of 5 star spoon/rega master style and TE37s look better on sports cars.

 

[RocklandCruiser]

Those wheels look great, I would buy if they came in 18" stock offset or 50-60mm, I want no poke.

 

[DustinFNW]

Thank you all for your feedback.

I'd love a Countersteer Type X in LC fitment... would be ALL over that.

We've been working on a high offset 17" Countersteer Type X design.

If the Countersteer Type X is made with a +40mm offset the lip will have to be fairly shallow though.

This is a rendering of a 17x9" +32mm offset, but in order to make it with an 8.5" width and +40mm the lip would have to be about a half an inch shallower (give or take) and/or the spoke profile might have to change slightly. I think the design still has potential to look good with a +40mm offset, but more than likely +35mm would be about as high as we'd be able to go.

I don’t have the data to prove it, but I suspect at least half of USA LC250 aftermarket wheel buyers will pick a wheel with lower offset than +40. Much of the aftermarket seems to be driven by those who want a more “aggressive” look.

Not me, but sadly, you're probably right. Form over function combined with there is no accounting for taste.

Yeah but I’ve seen a lot of those folks subsequently selling them on Facebook etc. when they realize all the problems they cause on a stock vehicle.

I think all three of you are correct. I've seen the same trend with the 2022+ Tundra owners going with lower offset wheels because the wheel itself looks cooler in a lower offset. Once the wheel has been installed and it sticks out 2"+ it doesn't look so cool, and it causes all kinds of problems.

Ultimately the super low offset wheels are going to cause premature wear and tear issues down the line as well, especially when the wheels are paired with larger, heavier tires. The extra weight and diameter from the larger tires combined with lower offset wheels pushing that weight farther out from the hub puts a lot of leverage and stress on the suspension components, axles, wheel bearings, etc.

Suspension component and axle durability hasn't ever really been an issue in the past when installing +0mm or even slightly negative offset wheels on previous generations of Toyota trucks and SUVs which came from the factory with +10mm to +30mm offset wheels and 106mm diameter hubs, but my suspicion is that +0mm offset (or lower) wheels are going to cause all kinds of problems down the line on the newer Toyota trucks and SUVs that come with +40mm to +70mm offset wheels and 95mm diameter hubs. I think this will be especially true for the owners who are installing heavy 35" and 37" tires with low offset wheels.

Time will tell, but if we see a lot of guys complaining about wheel bearings, ball joints, axles, etc. at 60,000 miles it will be important to look at what wheel offset and tire diameter combination they installed.

I like the more mesh/multi spoke look, suits big rigs better. The looks of 5 star spoon/rega master style and TE37s look better on sports cars.

I like mesh designs as well, but I tend to gravitate toward simpler, strong, Japanese inspired spoke designs for Toyota trucks and SUVs.

Complicated, busy, multi-spoke designs can also look really cool, but I feel like they're a little better suited to vehicles that are flashier such as sports cars or certain domestic trucks and SUVs.

The Landcruiser has a pretty minimalistic, retro style. A wheel like the Five Star would flow really well on the Landcruiser.

I understand what you mean about thin 5/6 spoke wheels on a vehicle with a larger body like the Landcruiser. That is why we designed the Five Star with spokes that are wider/thicker than traditional sports car wheels.

Here are some examples on Tundras and older Landcruisers for perspective:

 

[DustinFNW]

Those wheels look great, I would buy if they came in 18" stock offset or 50-60mm, I want no poke.

I used to import a wheel from Weds for the Landcruiser 100 which had +55mm offset. Weds discontinued this fitment many years ago, and they never made this offset in 6x139.7, but here area few example images in 5x150:

We can definitely make something along these lines for the LC250 as well if there's enough demand.

 

[D-mac]

We can definitely make something along these lines for the LC250 as well if there's enough demand.

I think you could also consider a LC250/GX550 fitment for the 18" BFD wheels, that size is popular for aftermarket, since it matches OEM.

 

[tbounds02]

Hi Land Cruiser Forum members.

I'd love to get some feedback from you guys about a fitment we're considering offering for the 2024+ Landcruiser 250.

First a little background : We make a version of our Five Star wheel in 17x9" +25mm 6x139.7 (95mm hub centric) primarily for the 2022+ Tundra. We plan to release a 17x8.5" +35mm 6x139.7 version later this summer.

After reading through this forum I'm now considering a 17x8.5" +40mm or possibly +42mm option (most likely it will be +40mm). This fitment would work on the other Toyota trucks, but really we'd be making it to satisfy the desires of Landcruiser owners who are looking for high quality, light weight, strong, high offset, hub centric wheels.

Various incarnations of our FN Five Star design have been popular on all different Toyota trucks and SUVs. I feel like this design would really compliment the Landcruiser 250's body lines too, but I'd love to get feedback from everyone here on the forum.

Thus far we have only produced the 17x9" +25 6x139.7 version of the Five Star in matte black. We've also produced the 17x9" +25 5x150 version (for the 2nd Gen Sequoia/Tundra, Landcruiser 100/200) in graphite gunmetal and matte bronze. Attached below are pictures of both the 5-lug and 6-lug version for reference. The face, spokes and lip of the 17x8.5"+40mm 6x139.7 version will be more or less identical to these wheels that I've posted below.

I look forward to hearing what you guys think.

Thanks,

Dustin
FN Wheels

FN Wheels Five Star – Flow Formed (PROPOSED SPECS FOR TOYOTA LANDCRUISER 250)
Diameter: 17″
Width: 8.5″
Offset: +40mm
Backspacing: 6.32″
Bolt Pattern (PCD): 6×139.7mm
Center Bore: 95.2mm hub centric
Load Rating: 2,500lbs w/ up to a 37″ tire diameter (SAE J2530 test standard)
Wheel Weight: 22.9lbs (approximate)
Additional notes: Compatible with extended thread (ET) lug nuts for maximum stud engagement. High strength/high clearance flow formed barrel design to provide maximum brake caliper clearance. Reinforced lips/flanges for strength and durability on and off-road. Raised bead humps with knurled bead seats for improved bead retention at low tire pressures. Knurled bead seats also help to prevent bead slippage that sometimes occurs from the high torque output of hybrid motors.

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Why not make a 18 /8.5 it is the standard size

 

[DustinFNW]

I think you could also consider a LC250/GX550 fitment for the 18" BFD wheels, that size is popular for aftermarket, since it matches OEM.

We offer them in 18x9" +20mm offset right now, but we'll see what we can come up with in a high offset. The spokes would have to be very, very flat and pushed out all the way to the edge of the lip though. I'm not sure if a high offset BFD would go over as well as the Five Stars or Countersteer Type X, but we can work on some renderings.

Here are a few examples of the 18x9" +20mm 6x139.7 (95mm hub centric) FN Wheels BFD flow formed:

 

[DustinFNW]

Why not make a 18 /8.5 it is the standard size

We're not opposed to making an 18" Five Star flow formed wheel in a LC250 fitment as well. We've already completed the development of the 17" high offset version for the Tacoma and Tundra, but before we added a +40mm offset for the Landcruiser 250 I wanted to get feedback from LC250 owners on this forum. We can and will offer an 18" option in the future as well. Currently there aren't many 17" options suited to fit the LC250, so we thought we might be able to fill a void with a 17" wheel that fits properly.

Some of the merits of 17" wheels:

• 17" wheels allow for more tire sidewall compared to 18" wheels with the same overall diameter tires. More tire sidewall provides better offroad performance and durability.
• 33" and 34" tires (arguably the most popular diameters for the LC250) are typically only available in load range E for 18" wheels, whereas you can find lots of 33" and 34" diameter tires for 17" wheels in standard load ratings and load range C.
• 17" wheels and tires typically cost less than equivalent 18" wheels and tires.

This isn't to say that 17's are better than 18's or vice versa. Some people are going to prefer the aesthetic of a small diameter wheel with more sidewall, and others will prefer shorter sidewalls with larger diameter wheels.

If the feedback from LC250 owners is that we should make an 18" Five Star, then we'll consider making an 18" version too.

 

[CFC]

I personally think offset between 30 to 40 is perfect for 250LC allows for a nice size tire.Also I agree with you on the simple and clean 5 wheel spoke design looks great on LC and most off road vehicles.
Please no tacky fake rivets or fake bead locks and over done designs .
Just my personal opinion .

 

[Markarian421]

We're not opposed to making an 18" Five Star flow formed wheel in a LC250 fitment as well. We've already completed the development of the 17" high offset version for the Tacoma and Tundra, but before we added a +40mm offset for the Landcruiser 250 I wanted to get feedback from LC250 owners on this forum. We can and will offer an 18" option in the future as well. Currently there aren't many 17" options suited to fit the LC250, so we thought we might be able to fill a void with a 17" wheel that fits properly.

Some of the merits of 17" wheels:

• 17" wheels allow for more tire sidewall compared to 18" wheels with the same overall diameter tires. More tire sidewall provides better offroad performance and durability.
• 33" and 34" tires (arguably the most popular diameters for the LC250) are typically only available in load range E for 18" wheels, whereas you can find lots of 33" and 34" diameter tires for 17" wheels in standard load ratings and load range C.
• 17" wheels and tires typically cost less than equivalent 18" wheels and tires.

This isn't to say that 17's are better than 18's or vice versa. Some people are going to prefer the aesthetic of a small diameter wheel with more sidewall, and others will prefer shorter sidewalls with larger diameter wheels.

If the feedback from LC250 owners is that we should make an 18" Five Star, then we'll consider making an 18" version too.

Caliper clearance for 17" wheels is pretty tight. Early on Method said theirs only cleared the calipers by a few mm and that made some of us pretty reluctant to go with anything smaller than an 18" wheel. It seemed like maybe that was the reason Toyota was going with 18" as the smallest size on this platform. Just throwing that out there -- some folks may be reluctant to get a 17" wheel. (Otherwise I'd already have a set of Method wheels!)