Well, you EOD guys are more than a little F#!@up so that explains the frozen pizza.
Real World mpg
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I will be happy with anything close to 20mpg , but my Tundrahybrid. With 20k miles I average 18.6 daily driving . It took 8-10,000 miles before it started getting above 15 mpg . I do drive 80mph mostly on highway travel tundra get 18.5 highway and 16.8 in town .
The hybrid set up really only helps mpg around town on highway you will always be engine unless coasting. Hybrid is mostly for power
20-22mpg is less than my wife's 3 year old X7 with the inline six cylinder. That's atrocious for a true hybrid mated to a 4 cylinder. And the X7 does 0-60 in 5.5 seconds.
This new generation of hybrid systems from Toyota has been wicked disappointing. Was disppointed test driving the TX hybrid too.
This new generation of hybrid systems from Toyota has been wicked disappointing. Was disppointed test driving the TX hybrid too.
What’s the X7 getting?
I love the idea of better gas mileage. It certainly was a talking point when deciding to replace the 4Runner. Right now I’m having too much fun zipping around on this peppy drivetrain to care about MPGs.
Sequoia is the same way.
Sequoia is the same way.
You driving a new LC?
A BMW X7 is a crossover SUV...it's going to get better mileage than a body-on-frame SUV with an upright windshield. The Land Cruiser is built to do a lot more than a BMW X7. And a BMW X7 starts at $85K. If you want to compare fuel economy numbers, look at the Wrangler, outgoing/new 4Runner, Bronco, G Wagen, and the mid-size pickup trucks on the market. And the upper-spec TX hybrid uses a CVT...which are largely disappointing transmissions. We have to remember that the Land Cruiser has to tackle many more duties and durability tests than a crossover SUV.
You betcha. After getting the Sequoia there is no way we could not upgrade the 2018 4Runner.
People seem to be hating on this drivetrain. After reading on the internet I was worried it might be a bit sluggish. I was pleasantly surprised. My first comment to my wife was that she is going to get so many speeding tickets.
The turbo four does seem to sit in a higher rev range then the Sequoia’s v6 does.
Overall it’s been fun to drive and I have to keep an eye on how fast I’m going.
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Looks great! I test drove one and enjoyed the ride - not as responsive and zippy as my Q5 but not that far off and way bigger car!
25 on highway and about 17-18 on surface roads only.
All true. But the X7 is no slouch in towing either. The X7 can tow up to 7500 lbs if you get the OEM hitch, which is more than the new LC250. I've never had to tow that much, but we towed our small 2500lbs camper with no issues. Didn't even change the ride quality or stress the engine. I wouldn't off road an X7 though and that's where LC and GX shines. But as a people hauler with some mountain passes and snow, gravel roads, you don't need the LC or GX. It's actually more sure footed in inclement conditions on the highway than my GX460. The tires are super wide. All that 4x4 tech on the LC does nothing at highway speeds with winding mountain roads.
A luxury trim LC250 or GX550 plus a few port and dealer add-ons, and you're pretty much in base X7 price category, which is not that base.
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Does it take 87 or 91 premium?
The 2024 Landcruiser has one single powertrain In US. 4 cylinder 2.4T hybrid. Do you try to tell us this vehicle is disappointing ? What's the point here ? Why do you compare the LC with the X7 when you have a GX 460 ?
Looking to upgrade my 460 which is hitting over 120,000 miles and have some issues that I would rather just trade in. I mean if you're talking fuel economy, my 460 gets like 13mpg on a good day lol. But I was hoping for the LC250 to be better than 20mpg in the real world.The 2024 Landcruiser has one single powertrain In US. 4 cylinder 2.4T hybrid. Do you try to tell us this vehicle is disappointing ? What's the point here ? Why do you compare the LC with the X7 when you have a GX 460 ?
25 is an outlier. Most X7 are averaging 18-21 mpg per fuelly.
Sounds like you appreciate the advantages of a crossover and an X5 would be more to your liking.
X7 (B58 6 cylinder, not the V8) on the highway at 70mph definitely gets 24-25 on normal comfort mode, prob close to 26+ on Eco mode but Eco drives like ass if you want to pass. 18-21 is mixed city driving. It's more efficient than my brother's new TX350, which is also a unibody crossover. His is about 22mpg on highway cruising. My GX460 can't break 20mpg on highway no matter how gentle I drive it.
The Sienna hybrid has great real world mileage though, but the new Hybrid Max systems are disappointing on fuel savings, they deliver on power but not fuel economy.
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My wife’s mini has a B46 (4 cyl version of BMW’s turbo 6). It can get great mileage as long as the conditions are steady state cruising as shown by the tank that managed 35mpg. But road trip isn’t the typical use case which is why is it pointless to talk about that anomaly. That 35mpg, while possible, is a flyer that isn’t representative of the dataset as shown by the average of 27.4mpg.
How is this relevant? Well, you are comparing your driving cycle in your car to a vehicle that you haven’t driven on your driving cycle. You are going off someone else’s driving habits in someone else’s driving conditions. You comment on your brother… does he have the same commute? Does he drive the same way? My brother manages about 15-20% better in his wife’s car than his wife purely based on their driving habits.
All I’m saying is that you are extrapolating a few anecdotes into a conclusion. We don’t have enough people behind the wheel yet to have decent data.
How is this relevant? Well, you are comparing your driving cycle in your car to a vehicle that you haven’t driven on your driving cycle. You are going off someone else’s driving habits in someone else’s driving conditions. You comment on your brother… does he have the same commute? Does he drive the same way? My brother manages about 15-20% better in his wife’s car than his wife purely based on their driving habits.
All I’m saying is that you are extrapolating a few anecdotes into a conclusion. We don’t have enough people behind the wheel yet to have decent data.
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I understand your comments- I also think everybody knows that different driving habits are going to produce different results. I live in a mountainous area that will be harder on MPG and performance than someone else in Iowa. I don’t think anyone’s trying to to be definitive by the MPG performance, evaluations and experiences. As more people report it there could be vast differences, but no one‘s gonna report it if they feel like they’re gonna be shamed with their commentary. . And I personally like seeing everybody’s point of view, whether it would match up to my thought process or not.
Still do not see how comparing the 2024 LC with my hybrid sedan or my full electric SUV will help anybody. Let's try to be on-topic because there are already 2187 threads and information is really hard to find.
This is a quote from motor1.com:
“[The motor] is fundamentally designed to really support that part of the torque ramp and power ramp where you know the turbos are coming up to speed,” said Sheldon Brown, chief engineer for the Tacoma. “It helps us with our peak torque and then of course, when our turbo efficiency starts to fall off, it can come back in and assist.”
Because of the small battery, the Tacoma Hybrid doesn’t have a dedicated EV mode. It can drive around on pure electricity at the ECU’s discretion, briefly, at low speeds, and the system can shut off the engine for coasting on the highway. Fuel economy isn’t the priority either. Compared with their gas-only equivalents, hybrid Tacomas get around 2 mpg more in the city, 1 mpg more on the highway, and 1 mpg more combined. Really, this is about performance..
“We didn’t follow the path of just a hybrid system that focuses on fuel economy,” Moritsu explained. “So powerful, torquey, agile, maneuverability, and performance, those were the priorities. And we were able to balance that with the environmental performance of the vehicle as well. That was the biggest challenge for development.”
Obviously Toyota considers the performance (power&torque...turbo lag, acceleration...) is the main issue for such a vehicle in North America. Average will be around 20mpg and very few will be able to get 25mpg on some trips.
This is a quote from motor1.com:
“[The motor] is fundamentally designed to really support that part of the torque ramp and power ramp where you know the turbos are coming up to speed,” said Sheldon Brown, chief engineer for the Tacoma. “It helps us with our peak torque and then of course, when our turbo efficiency starts to fall off, it can come back in and assist.”
Because of the small battery, the Tacoma Hybrid doesn’t have a dedicated EV mode. It can drive around on pure electricity at the ECU’s discretion, briefly, at low speeds, and the system can shut off the engine for coasting on the highway. Fuel economy isn’t the priority either. Compared with their gas-only equivalents, hybrid Tacomas get around 2 mpg more in the city, 1 mpg more on the highway, and 1 mpg more combined. Really, this is about performance..
“We didn’t follow the path of just a hybrid system that focuses on fuel economy,” Moritsu explained. “So powerful, torquey, agile, maneuverability, and performance, those were the priorities. And we were able to balance that with the environmental performance of the vehicle as well. That was the biggest challenge for development.”
Obviously Toyota considers the performance (power&torque...turbo lag, acceleration...) is the main issue for such a vehicle in North America. Average will be around 20mpg and very few will be able to get 25mpg on some trips.
