Toyo Open Country AT3 265/70/r18 vs. Nitto Terra Grappler G3 275/70/r18

[DarthAckbarious]

So I'm looking to replace my stock Dunlop tires and 20" rims with something better suited for mountain driving in the snow for ski trips. I have an opportunity to pick up some Toyo Open Country AT3 take off tires from a GX, the 265/70/r18 x5 for about $600. Or I was also considering the Nitto Terra Grappler G3 275/70/r18. Looking to keep at SL. I feel like maybe the 275s look a bit better, but is it worth an extra $1100?

Pairing with these wheels (PTR5635242F1):

 

[NoMe cruiser]

Depending on how much mileage the stock Dunlops have on them. If they have < 10,000 miles that tire just might be as good in those conditions as either one you mentioned. The biggest improvement would be to get into the dedicated winter tires.

 

[Markarian421]

I put 275/60R20 Michelin X-ice snow tires on my 20" wheels and I'm using that as a winter set. I guess it depends on your local winter conditions, dedicated snow tires will be so much better on actual snow and ice than any AT. I'd be guessing to suggest which of those two AT ties would be better in the snow, I haven't read much about the Toyo's in snow and the G3's are pretty new. If they are three peak rates they meet at least some minimal industry requirement for occasional snow use.

 

[DarthAckbarious]

We don't typically get snow here, so I'm not looking for dedicated snow tires per se. But I do want something safe to drive up the mountain/snow for ski trips. The Dunlops do not appear to be 3 peak rated, but both the Toyos and Nittos are. I also should note I'm looking to change out the 20" wheels for the 18" TRD wheels regardless.

 

[D-mac]

I'm running the Toyo AT3s and can confirm they perform well in snow. There's lots of YouTube reviews on them, since they have been out for a few years. Since they were OEM on the GX550 Overtrail, you can have confidence they will have similar ride/noise/mpg to an OEM tire that needs to deliver smooth test drives.
The main difference you're looking at in my opinion is to stay with a SL/passenger tire or LT/E-range truck tire (i.e. 275/70). The LTs will have a deeper tread for off road and snow performance, but are going to be more compromised for ride/mpg.

 

[DarthAckbarious]

I'm running the Toyo AT3s and can confirm they perform well in snow. There's lots of YouTube reviews on them, since they have been out for a few years. Since they were OEM on the GX550 Overtrail, you can have confidence they will have similar ride/noise/mpg to an OEM tire that needs to deliver smooth test drives.
The main difference you're looking at in my opinion is to stay with a SL/passenger tire or LT/E-range truck tire (i.e. 275/70). The LTs will have a deeper tread for off road and snow performance, but are going to be more compromised for ride/mpg.

Thanks for the reply. The Nitto Terra Grappler G3 in 275/70/r18 are actually also SL rated, one of the few 275s that are SL I've seen. They seem to be pretty well regarded around here. I just wasn't sure if the overall utility/looks of the 275s would be worth an extra cost over picking up some Toyo 265 GX take offs.

The Nitto Terra Grappler G3 275/70/r18 weigh 45.6 lbs
The Toyo Open Country AT3 265/70/r18 weigh 43 lbs

Both are severe snow service rated.

 

[D-mac]

Thanks for the reply. The Nitto Terra Grappler G3 in 275/70/r18 are actually also SL rated, one of the few 275s that are SL I've seen. They seem to be pretty well regarded around here. I just wasn't sure if the overall utility/looks of the 275s would be worth an extra cost over picking up some Toyo 265 GX take offs.

You'll have to make the call as to what size tires look the best. My personal favorites for looks are 285/65-18 (same diameter as OEM) but not a lot of SL options in that size, so I didn't get them. In a few years there should be even more options.

 

[jbe2289]

One thing to keep in mind, those Toyo that come on the GX are different from what you would get from Toyo. At a minimum, the tread depth is less on the OEM tires, likely for noise and MPG, but the compound might be different too. From my research the Toyo Open Country AT3 are a really good tire. Not sure how much is sacrificed though with the OEM takeoffs.

 

[ultane]

One thing to keep in mind, those Toyo that come on the GX are different from what you would get from Toyo. At a minimum, the tread depth is less on the OEM tires, likely for noise and MPG, but the compound might be different too. From my research the Toyo Open Country AT3 are a really good tire. Not sure how much is sacrificed though with the OEM takeoffs.

I’ve had my heart set on Toyo AT3’s. But then I heard or read somewhere that they were NOT good in the rain. And a few have posted on this forum that they were taking the Terra Grapplers off of their rigs. I don’t know what I will end up doing now.

 

[Onyx]

From my experience, the tires that came from Toyota/Lexus are different than the ones that come straight from the manufacturer. Usually will have less tread life. ie. The Falcon Wildpeak A/T from Toyota was way different than the ones I purchased from TireRack. One lasted 25k while the ones from TR lasted almost 60k. Tread Patterns are different too even though they have the same product name.

 

[ultane]

From my experience, the tires that came from Toyota/Lexus are different than the ones that come straight from the manufacturer. Usually will have less tread life. ie. The Falcon Wildpeak A/T from Toyota was way different than the ones I purchased from TireRack. One lasted 25k while the ones from TR lasted almost 60k. Tread Patterns are different too even though they have the same product name.

Yeah, I had heard that there was significantly less rubber on the OEM Michelins, than the ones that I would buy at Costco or TireRack. I guess that’s why they are so lite weight, compared to the same named replacement tire.

 

[DarthAckbarious]

From my experience, the tires that came from Toyota/Lexus are different than the ones that come straight from the manufacturer. Usually will have less tread life. ie. The Falcon Wildpeak A/T from Toyota was way different than the ones I purchased from TireRack. One lasted 25k while the ones from TR lasted almost 60k. Tread Patterns are different too even though they have the same product name.

This is very good to know. I definitely am not looking to be replacing these at 25k miles.

 

[jbe2289]

I’ve had my heart set on Toyo AT3’s. But then I heard or read somewhere that they were NOT good in the rain. And a few have posted on this forum that they were taking the Terra Grapplers off of their rigs. I don’t know what I will end up doing now.

I have Cooper Discover Road+Trail AT and really like them. They’ve been great in dry, wet, and snow. As well as gravel and dirt.

 

[Onyx]

TireRack has a review done on KO3, Wildpeak AT4w, Open Country AT3, and Terra Grappler G3. Once I get my LC, pretty sure I am going with the Terra Grappler.

 

[ZNFRNO]

I realize that this is apples vs oranges, but my only experience with Nitto was the Terras that came on my 4Runner Pro (that my LC replaced)…those were awful tires in the rain, and didn’t last long. I would like to see an honest comparison between G2 and G3…the G3s might be great but I’m gun-shy about Nitto based on that one experience.

 

[Roonie]

I’ve had my heart set on Toyo AT3’s. But then I heard or read somewhere that they were NOT good in the rain. And a few have posted on this forum that they were taking the Terra Grapplers off of their rigs. I don’t know what I will end up doing now.

Ha, I live in Seattle and have the Toyo AT3 on 2 seperate vehicles. My old landcruiser I have had them for almost 3 years now. I can say they are good in the rain. But it's the internet and someone said they suck so buy whatever. They are all pretty good.

And they are good in the snow.

 

[ultane]

Ha, I live in Seattle and have the Toyo AT3 on 2 seperate vehicles. My old landcruiser I have had them for almost 3 years now. I can say they are good in the rain. But it's the internet and someone said they suck so buy whatever. They are all pretty good.

And they are good in the snow.

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Whelp!… I guess they will go back on my shortlist for when Miss Daisy needs new shoes.

 

[LcAz]

Im currently running the toyo takeoffs from a GX on my LC and can confirm that the takeoffs are not as high quality as the retail sets. I knew that going in and only paid $400 for basically new OEM toyos. They are quiet and ride fine, but I can tell they are wearing a bit more quickly.

 

[DPM81]

I just picked my LC last week and this is my first to-do.
I am avoiding E rated tires due to MPG hit - the S/Ls have plenty of bandwidth for the truck - I don’t plan much other than basic trails in my truck if I do get off road. Here is some nerding I did over the weekend on weights vs my stock 20”.
Understanding that the total weight and where the weight is in relation to the hub are two different things.

STOCK
265/60R20 DUNLOP GRANDTREK PT22
39LBS

STOCK RIMS 4261160N10
20 INCH WEIGHT 40LBS

ALL IN 79LBS

PROPOSED
PTR56-35242-F1
TRD 18” WHEELS IN FLAT BLACK
WEIGHT 27LBS

LIGHTEST 275/70/18
NITTO G3
S/L 46LBS
E 53LBS

TOYO OPEN COUNTRY A/T III EV
SL 48LBS

SO TOTAL WITH 18” TRD WHEELS AND NITTO S/L IS 73LBS AND E TOTAL IS 80LBS

 

[Nor Cal Cruiser]

So I'm looking to replace my stock Dunlop tires and 20" rims with something better suited for mountain driving in the snow for ski trips. I have an opportunity to pick up some Toyo Open Country AT3 take off tires from a GX, the 265/70/r18 x5 for about $600. Or I was also considering the Nitto Terra Grappler G3 275/70/r18. Looking to keep at SL. I feel like maybe the 275s look a bit better, but is it worth an extra $1100?

Pairing with these wheels (PTR5635242F1):
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I have the Toyos' and love them. They have handled everything I have thrown at them--heavy rain, dirt, mud, snow, and dry--incredibly well. I will absolutely buy them again when the time comes.