Not sure I'd use the phrase "resorted to". I view it as a positive. Now watch the rest follow.
Terrible mileage for a Hybrid and Gas Tank is way too small
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Hard to find a comparison for the LC250 (18.5mpg) other than the GX550 (15.7mpg) and the 5th gen 4Runner (17.2mpg) for the size weight and shape.
I was chatting to my FIL this morning and we were discussing that the LC250 and his new Silverado 6.2l have the same torque numbers.
Another post in a different thread made a good point that the hybrid drives like a diesel - everything is available at 3k rpm and below, above that it just doesn’t have the horsepower.
So, there a trade offs for sure, it has the torque, doesn’t have the speed after 40 yds because the power runs out but you do get better MPG.
I was chatting to my FIL this morning and we were discussing that the LC250 and his new Silverado 6.2l have the same torque numbers.
Another post in a different thread made a good point that the hybrid drives like a diesel - everything is available at 3k rpm and below, above that it just doesn’t have the horsepower.
So, there a trade offs for sure, it has the torque, doesn’t have the speed after 40 yds because the power runs out but you do get better MPG.
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At least I don't drive that much. If getting on the highway for any extended trip not involving beach or snow, then the wife's X7 is used. It's a hybrid that's heavier than the Toyota, gets 25mpg, and has almost 600 miles of range.
This is the one blunder of this Land Cruiser that's really going to affect its long-term value. I'm removing the expedition rack and putting crossbars up there. Mainly hauling surfboards, so the expedition rack is just weight and drag.
This is the one blunder of this Land Cruiser that's really going to affect its long-term value. I'm removing the expedition rack and putting crossbars up there. Mainly hauling surfboards, so the expedition rack is just weight and drag.
Yeah, I can’t believe that Toyota has abandoned its long-standing tradition of overpowering its Land Cruisers. I still remember the 60 series with that big 4.0 6cyl, making 155hp & 220 lbft, that could do 0-60 in 14 sec. Heck, that would shame a modern Raptor!
This vehicle will go down in history as a case study for people running out and buying something based on market hype without knowing what it is.
At no point did Toyota suggest that this vehicle is a hybrid for fuel efficiency purposes. At all points they indicated that it is a hybrid for emissions improvements and to provide increased low end torque that is directed towards the purpose of the vehicle.
Reading is fundamental.
At no point did Toyota suggest that this vehicle is a hybrid for fuel efficiency purposes. At all points they indicated that it is a hybrid for emissions improvements and to provide increased low end torque that is directed towards the purpose of the vehicle.
Reading is fundamental.
The problem here though is not the mpg - the shape and weight of the vehicle drive that and its unavoidable.
Where I think we all agree is the fuel tank capacity, but as stated by many people on here, this has been a quirk of all Toyota off road ready products for a long time. As a more mass produced Landcruiser, they perhaps should have addressed this and engineered a larger tank.
The fact that they’ve sold more of these in 2 years compared to all of the last gen over all production years means everyone should have a realistic view of how it will depreciate.
Where I think we all agree is the fuel tank capacity, but as stated by many people on here, this has been a quirk of all Toyota off road ready products for a long time. As a more mass produced Landcruiser, they perhaps should have addressed this and engineered a larger tank.
The fact that they’ve sold more of these in 2 years compared to all of the last gen over all production years means everyone should have a realistic view of how it will depreciate.
The estimated MPG on the sticker would have been fine for me. It's nowhere close to accurate.
I should add that while these 4Runner numbers look good, I would get 14mpg in my “Un”Limited 5th Gen on a good day. 12mpg was more common. Smiles vs miles factor was 
Toyota was saying the estimates would be 27 and some said even 30 mpg due to hybrid when it was near release time. I quote...
"When it first released the new 2024 Land Cruiser last fall, Toyota estimated that this new hybrid SUV would be rated at 27 mpg combined."
2024 Toyota Land Cruiser MPG Lower Than Expected, Still Beats V-8
Although Toyota originally said the new Land Cruiser's hybrid setup would get 27 mpg combined, it's now EPA-rated at 23 mpg, versus 14 mpg for the old V-8.
www.caranddriver.com
For those of us who preordered before release like myself with the first edition, this information is what we had to go on. Being 35-40% off Toyota stated estimates is a huge difference. That said I am ok with the current mpg for what it does and is, however a bigger gas tank is needed.
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You might be right there, but at least be aware you quoted a Car and Driver article and not something Toyota said. The article did not have a reference to info from Toyota, either.Not true...
Toyota was saying the estimates would be 27 and some said even 30 mpg due to hybrid when it was near release time. I quote...
"When it first released the new 2024 Land Cruiser last fall, Toyota estimated that this new hybrid SUV would be rated at 27 mpg combined."
2024 Toyota Land Cruiser MPG Lower Than Expected, Still Beats V-8
Although Toyota originally said the new Land Cruiser's hybrid setup would get 27 mpg combined, it's now EPA-rated at 23 mpg, versus 14 mpg for the old V-8.
For those of us who preordered before release like myself with the first edition, this information is what we had to go on. Being 35-40% off Toyota stated estimates is a huge difference.
Toyota originally published the 27 mpg estimate on their US website in August 2023. They have since changed it.
This is also where I read it and got excited about the new hybrid landcruiser and put down my deposit on a first edition. Every article quoted Toyota at that time, I just chose the first one that popped up on google search.
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In fairness to those posting - Toyota officially stated the 27mpg in the pre-release marketing material.
If I had preordered based on this I would be pretty bent out of shape.
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FWIW, in the summer my average was 24.7, and that included many regular highway trips with the cruise 75-80 mph. Roof rack, stock tires, rock sliders, all stock.
And if I'm not mistaken, a '25 X7 MSRP is about $84K, correct? Not sure that's an apples-to-apples comparison. That would be like taking the X7 off-roading and being upset it doesn't perform as well as a LC and saying BMW missed the mark on long-term value.
There are SUVs with better fuel efficiency, and SUVs with longer range, and SUVs with more capabilities. However, there is no other SUV with a better combination of fuel efficiency, range, and capabilities.
If you prefer to optimize along one of those single dimensions then there are lots of choices. With the Toyota TNGA platform you might even be able to do it within the same manufacterer.
If you prefer to optimize along one of those single dimensions then there are lots of choices. With the Toyota TNGA platform you might even be able to do it within the same manufacterer.
Yeah, I don’t get the comparison of a BOF SUV w a car-based SUV.
Owning a LC has always involved compromises. There are better handling vehicles, more powerful vehicles, larger vehicles, less expensive vehicles, more economical vehicles, more luxurious vehicles, etc. Yet few offer the versatile capability, durability & reliability of a LC.
Owning a LC has always involved compromises. There are better handling vehicles, more powerful vehicles, larger vehicles, less expensive vehicles, more economical vehicles, more luxurious vehicles, etc. Yet few offer the versatile capability, durability & reliability of a LC.
For me the only surprise was how much the drop in MPGs was with the E rated tires. I think it's just a function of the 4 cylinder hybrid. With the stock tires I think the MPG I experienced was quite good. IMO
I'm around -1 mpg with C range LT tires (275/65-18 Toyo ATIII) over the stock SLs. I'd be more hopeful C or D range tires will become available in more sizes as they are lighter than the Es, but still have deeper tread than SLs.
Yes, it's the overstatement of fuel economy that bothers me as well. That said, I seem to be getting better results than many on here.Toyota was saying the estimates would be 27 and some said even 30 mpg due to hybrid when it was near release time. I quote...
"When it first released the new 2024 Land Cruiser last fall, Toyota estimated that this new hybrid SUV would be rated at 27 mpg combined."
2024 Toyota Land Cruiser MPG Lower Than Expected, Still Beats V-8
Although Toyota originally said the new Land Cruiser's hybrid setup would get 27 mpg combined, it's now EPA-rated at 23 mpg, versus 14 mpg for the old V-8.
For those of us who preordered before release like myself with the first edition, this information is what we had to go on. Being 35-40% off Toyota stated estimates is a huge difference. That said I am ok with the current mpg for what it does and is, however a bigger gas tank is needed.
The article did not actually quote Toyota; that was my point. It said that the information came from Toyota in general terms but didn’t say who said it or when.
“A lot of people are saying…” more or less. Kind of sloppy.
That said, I concede that at this moment Toyota is saying 22/23/25 or similar and nobody I’ve talked to is getting more than about 19 combined.
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