Terrible mileage for a Hybrid and Gas Tank is way too small
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I do think that if folks knew before hand how poor the mpg and range would be with the e rated tires, that it may have influenced the decision for some. I don't know that the GX is any better though as far as range.I am seriously considering trading this in with under 500 miles. My daily commute is 105 miles and the range is 301 when I’m topped off. But hey at least it’s premium gas I get to stop for constantly
I love the vehicle but 17.1 mpg with the KO3's is not what I was expecting for sure.
I got the 275/70r18 Nitto Terra Grappler G3's solely because they are SL rated tires, and my MPG went from 17.9 to 16.4 thus far after about 200 miles on the new set. LC Premium, had the 20" wheels before. Have the LC roof rack. I can't imagine the cold weather is helping either, been in the 30s here in WA. Hoping for 20+ in warmer weather.
We'll see on the cold weather effects. I was at 20.7 and climbing with the stock tires on an FE. There's a lot of factors. Part of it is that with the KO3's and having figured the exact PSI that feels best to me, I'm enjoying the vehicle waaay too much. So I'm sure that's killing it as well.
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For sure. I'm loving the vehicle overall as well, but the MPG has been majorly disappointing, even though I didn't buy expecting great MPG...though definitely expected 20+.
This topic is so intriguing… I’m 1000 miles into ownership with my LC - premium package with 20” wheels (Which I hate - looking to switch to 18s with a S/L off road tire, probably the Toyo’s)
We use it almost exclusively for daily errands, 1 mile to train station, and 5-10 miles to kids sports etc with highway driving about 30% of the miles. I’ve reset the MPG several times and I always end up at around 19.5 MPG.
If I do a reset before I get on the highway for 5-10 miles, I’ll exit the highway somewhere above 21 mpg.
Over the past 3 weeks NJ has seen some real winter weather as low as zero in the mornings.
I can certainly get 15mpg or less if I put the truck through its paces - but I’m assuming that when the weather heats up my normal average will increase to 20mpg ish which is 360 miles of range (although it will only show me about 300)
I know I risk people getting mad as I’m definitely asking if it is the way you drive, but it doesn’t seem possible for a mass produced vehicle with a lot of QC in place to yield such different outcomes when the only difference is the driver.
I don’t know how people are getting 23mpg, but I assume if they drove my truck in the same conditions they’d get that number. And, my 3 week relationship is plenty complicated because if they released a version tomorrow with the turbo 6 I’d jump on it - but I’m not seeing a range or MPG issue that is misaligned with my expectations, it has a boat load of torque which is fun to use, but if you keep your foot down after 3000rpm that turbo will suck you dry. If you drive like Miss Daisy, which is doing wonders for my stress management, it seems to be closer to the EPA numbers.
We use it almost exclusively for daily errands, 1 mile to train station, and 5-10 miles to kids sports etc with highway driving about 30% of the miles. I’ve reset the MPG several times and I always end up at around 19.5 MPG.
If I do a reset before I get on the highway for 5-10 miles, I’ll exit the highway somewhere above 21 mpg.
Over the past 3 weeks NJ has seen some real winter weather as low as zero in the mornings.
I can certainly get 15mpg or less if I put the truck through its paces - but I’m assuming that when the weather heats up my normal average will increase to 20mpg ish which is 360 miles of range (although it will only show me about 300)
I know I risk people getting mad as I’m definitely asking if it is the way you drive, but it doesn’t seem possible for a mass produced vehicle with a lot of QC in place to yield such different outcomes when the only difference is the driver.
I don’t know how people are getting 23mpg, but I assume if they drove my truck in the same conditions they’d get that number. And, my 3 week relationship is plenty complicated because if they released a version tomorrow with the turbo 6 I’d jump on it - but I’m not seeing a range or MPG issue that is misaligned with my expectations, it has a boat load of torque which is fun to use, but if you keep your foot down after 3000rpm that turbo will suck you dry. If you drive like Miss Daisy, which is doing wonders for my stress management, it seems to be closer to the EPA numbers.
The differences are definitely interesting. Trust me, I've been trying to drive lately like there's an egg under the pedal just to see how much of a difference it makes. With the new tires and 18" TRD wheels, I can't crack 17 MPG. About 70/30 highway vs. city miles. I could get just over 18 MPG at best with the standard 20" wheels and tires. I wonder how much of a difference the LC roof rack makes. Maybe that's the 2 MPG difference?
I’m not sure how fragile your egg is but you might look at the actual city test cycle (Dynamometer Drive Schedules | US EPA) to glean how gradual the acceleration & deceleration is. Given that such extreme type of driving will minimize turbo use and maximize battery charge, the epa city # makes sense.
I’m still using the OEM tires on my ‘58 and I’ve noticed meaningful mpg differences due to mild changes in air pressure. I’m not surprised that a more aggressive tire will reduce achieved mpg.
The electric motor is between the engine & transmission. The trans fluid is the last to heat up. I’m not surprised that the electric motor is not engaged for much of a winter morning commute. Again, lower mpg.
Lastly, reset your average mpg after each tank. A cumulative average isn’t helpful in giving feedback as you play with changes in driving style & conditions.
The 250 has more torque and better fuel efficiency than any prior Land Cruiser (except the 300). Hard for me to see that as anything other than impressive.
I’m still using the OEM tires on my ‘58 and I’ve noticed meaningful mpg differences due to mild changes in air pressure. I’m not surprised that a more aggressive tire will reduce achieved mpg.
The electric motor is between the engine & transmission. The trans fluid is the last to heat up. I’m not surprised that the electric motor is not engaged for much of a winter morning commute. Again, lower mpg.
Lastly, reset your average mpg after each tank. A cumulative average isn’t helpful in giving feedback as you play with changes in driving style & conditions.
The 250 has more torque and better fuel efficiency than any prior Land Cruiser (except the 300). Hard for me to see that as anything other than impressive.
'24 TLC premium package and receive 16-18 mpg when. towing a skiff. Otherwise 21-22mpg.
The roof rack may make some difference, i don’t know, I only have the cross rails.
The combination of 18” and the Nittos are lighter than the 20s with the dunlops, 73lbs vs 79lbs but the weight is further from the hub so I think it still has to work harder to turn them - but I believe the overall weight is why a lot of people including yourself only see +/-1mpg difference from stock.
21.7 mpg today. Pretty much all stock. 20" rims with Yokomama issue tires.
30 mile easy freeway run home about 65-70.
Remember to reset your trip info or your averaging forever and before break in.
Figure about 2mpg gone for big boy tires, nothing is free. But who cares.
30 mile easy freeway run home about 65-70.
Remember to reset your trip info or your averaging forever and before break in.
Figure about 2mpg gone for big boy tires, nothing is free. But who cares.
Agreed. I reset my fuel consumption 8 days ago. About 800km driving since then on stock size 18" winter tires,, temps averaging in the -12C to -15C range (5'ish F), minus 20 in the morning for the past week, so warming up at least 5 minutes in the morning. Combo of snow, ice, bare pavement, gravel highway, city, even some deep snow on gravel. I'm sitting at 11.7 l/100km (20 mpg), and this is literally probably the worst case scenario driving.
That said, I don't drive much in rush hour.
I do wonder if LC owners going forward will gravitate towards SL Off Road tires and whether a specific SL tire will emerge as the go to tire based on performance and mpgs.
I'm not a "hard-core" off-roader by any stretch, but I have owned Toyota's and other off-road vehicles for 40 years now, starting with an original 1980 Toyota 4x4 "pickup". I've spent hours upon hours driving rough roads, trails, stream crossings and the like.
I've never once had a flat or a bead break out there (though I don't typically do much rock crawling). Needing large, E-rated tires for off-roading is a fallacy for 99.5% of the owners of these vehicles.
But they look cool.
It's INSANE what we pay for gas in Canada. I filled up this afternoon at Costco for $99!!
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Compared to my Jeeps, which had BFG KOs, this LC has great fuel economy. I also swapped out the Nitto Grapplers for BFG Trail Terrains. That has resulted in a quieter ride and increased fuel mileage. I put on the Trail Terrains to keep the weight down with them being standard load. KOs and most of the off road all terrains significantly impact acceleration and fuel economy in my experience.
The range of the LC has been better than my Jeep Gladiator (that I currently own) as well. I’m pleased with my LC.
The range of the LC has been better than my Jeep Gladiator (that I currently own) as well. I’m pleased with my LC.
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Which competitors are offering much better fuel economy in this category?
Look at the new Honda Passport for example. It’s hitting the lots now with its 285-hp 3.5-liter V-6. It’s rated at 21mpg combined and if you get the Trailsport and its 275/60R-18 tires that goes down to 20mpg. Its got worse specs in a lot of categories and still costs 50k.
You should’ve bought a Crown Signia if fuel economy is such a concern for you.
Look at the new Honda Passport for example. It’s hitting the lots now with its 285-hp 3.5-liter V-6. It’s rated at 21mpg combined and if you get the Trailsport and its 275/60R-18 tires that goes down to 20mpg. Its got worse specs in a lot of categories and still costs 50k.
You should’ve bought a Crown Signia if fuel economy is such a concern for you.
Not sure any competitors have resorted to a 4 cyl hybrid
I think it's less a point about the 4 cyl and more a point overall about the MPG.
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