It all boils down to range anxiety.

[Doggman1525]

TBF an off the rack 200 from a decade ago, with a thirsty V-8 that was going to get same shi**y mileage no matter how fast you were going or what you were towing, wasn't going to go much further than 340-350 miles until the tank ran dry either, not unless you put in some serious after market effort and investment. With the 250 you at least have the option to limp at 55mph getting 20+mpg until you get to the next fuel stop. You might not like it, but you can do it. Now if only Toyota would give us that diesel....

 

[Markarian421]

Fair point. Doing a quick unscientific audit of people who have posted in this thread, few appear to live in sparsely populated areas like the ones you list. Not to say there’s nobody who does - but perhaps range is a concern for a specific subset of people which is not the same subset as is complaining about it.

I myself live in Denver and I do go up the hill all the time. Colorado is not West Texas in terms of distance between points. There are not many opportunities here to put yourself more than a few dozen miles from a gas station absent some really poor planning.

Not living in those places is kind of the point, it makes them interesting to visit. Some of my favorite places to drive offroad are a couple hours from the last gas station before you even get off the pavement. Even road tripping across them on some routes requires paying attention to when you can get gas. Our car (and the previous one) can easily go over 500 miles between gas stations and it's just never a concern. If they'd put a normal size gas tank in this Land Cruiser it could do the same.

 

[TrailWhale]

Our car (and the previous one) can easily go over 500 miles between gas stations and it's just never a concern. If they'd put a normal size gas tank in this Land Cruiser it could do the same.

Same, our Rav4 Hybrid was showing over 550mi range on fuel-ups this fall (before the winter mpg gremlins arrived). It's sad to fill up the LC (with premium lol) and be greeted with 250mi range at best.

 

[EOD Guy]

Hopefully Tuesday I'll have a GX fuel tank installed and get a decent extended range.

 

[ultane]

Hopefully Tuesday I'll have a GX fuel tank installed and get a decent extended range.

I hope that all works out for you. If it does, I will probably do the same for Miss Daisy!!.

 

[EOD Guy]

I hope that all works out for you. If it does, I will probably do the same for Miss Daisy!!.

Eric has agreed to allow me to take pictures of the installation and I should be able to compile a list of parts that are required for the install. Labor is going to be a hard pill to swallow, but it is what it is.

 

[Winchester44]

TBF an off the rack 200 from a decade ago, with a thirsty V-8 that was going to get same shi**y mileage no matter how fast you were going or what you were towing, wasn't going to go much further than 340-350 miles until the tank ran dry either, not unless you put in some serious after market effort and investment. With the 250 you at least have the option to limp at 55mph getting 20+mpg until you get to the next fuel stop. You might not like it, but you can do it. Now if only Toyota would give us that diesel....

Just spoke with two friends that have 200’s. They claim 350 miles in town, but can do 440 miles if on the highway. No NA spec 250 will go that far on stock tank ever.

I’d be willing to bet if true off road miles the 250 would outlast the 200 though. They said sub 10mpg while crawling is common.

Your diesel point is spot on, but current laws would never allow it.

 

[Doggman1525]

Yup, I've no doubt that with experience there are those who are willing to learn how to tailor their driving style to their vehicles strengths and weaknesses, maximize economy (when they want to) and level up their range though most people won't. There will be a subset who's mode of use, priorities and/or overall attitude will lead them to drive hard and struggle to meet even the low end of the EPA estimates (2021 Toyota Land Cruiser MPG - Actual MPG from 26 2021 Toyota Land Cruiser owners) Still, to your point, there's no getting around the physics that a 24 gallon tank carries more potential energy than an 18 gallon tank. My guess is that as with the 200's once the 250's have been out for a while and have accumulated enough miles driven the overall mileage stats will settle into a normal distribution with most drivers within the marketed range and a few outliers with light feet boasting of stellar numbers on their stock trucks while other report low teens on their tricked out rock crawlers and overland-zombie-apocalypse escape craft. No escaping statistics...

 

[Winchester44]

All that and let’s get some larger main and/ or sub/auxiliary tank aftermarket options going. This will correct the sole major shortcoming of this model as equipped for N.A. market. I know there are many that will say that it’s not that big of a deal and there’s always a gas station close by. However, I suspect those are people who not buy this vehicle to truly utilize its Expedition/off-road touring capabilities as it is primarily used for on the rest of planet Earth.

 

[Winchester44]

Hopefully Tuesday I'll have a GX fuel tank installed and get a decent extended range.

That’s awesome way to go!

 

[Winchester44]

TOYOTA LANDCRUISER PRADO 250 SERIES – 75 LITRE AUXILIARY LONG RANGE FUEL TANK – Brown Davis- Long Range Fuel Tanks, Underbody Protection, Roll Cages and Motorsport

www.browndavis.com.au

Interesting to note that they state the current long range 87L/22 gallon sub tank from the 300 will fit the 250 except for a conflict with the add blue/def tank. I wonder if this means it would fit a gasoline 250?

I know some are stating that there is some sort of conflict with the hybrid equipment but crawling under my car. I just don’t see it leading me to believe this is speculation . I do see a conflict with the muffler and exhaust piping but believe that could be easily adjusted if needed.

 

[flyingtrotter]

My UK spec 2.8 litre diesel gets 32 miles to the (UK) gallon and has a range in the mid 400 mile range - 440/450 mile usually shows on the gauge once I have brimmed the tank and as long as not doing city miles

Tank seems a little smaller than the Range River that preceded it

 

[Winchester44]

My UK spec 2.8 litre diesel gets 32 miles to the (UK) gallon and has a range in the mid 400 mile range - 440/450 mile usually shows on the gauge once I have brimmed the tank and as long as not doing city miles

Tank seems a little smaller than the Range River that preceded it

Wish we could buy the 2.8 diesel here. Unfortunately between silly regulations and idiot journalists comparing 0-60 times with prior $100k V8 it will never happen.

 

[flyingtrotter]

In the UK it’s GBP 80k so I can see why people question using a 4 pot 2.8 diesel from the HiLux but the UK now has literally hundreds of thousands of speed cameras pretty much everywhere so you can’t relax and just drive or you are highly likely to pick up fines/points

So in the real world the “safety” features that work with the active cruise are needed to avoid fines/points (I switch to visual warning only) and so the engine works fine for me - a big V8 would be nice but most of the time would be compromised

No idea how folk with things like the Aston Martin
With 777 bhp and Lamborghini Urez get to exploit their performance in the UK these days

 

[Midwest Duo]

Eric has agreed to allow me to take pictures of the installation and I should be able to compile a list of parts that are required for the install. Labor is going to be a hard pill to swallow, but it is what it is.

I was hoping they were going to do one of their videos on this (like they did with swapping out headlights a while ago). Would you be willing to reveal the out the door cost for this procedure?

 

[Winchester44]

In the UK it’s GBP 80k so I can see why people question using a 4 pot 2.8 diesel from the HiLux but the UK now has literally hundreds of thousands of speed cameras pretty much everywhere so you can’t relax and just drive or you are highly likely to pick up fines/points

So in the real world the “safety” features that work with the active cruise are needed to avoid fines/points (I switch to visual warning only) and so the engine works fine for me - a big V8 would be nice but most of the time would be compromised

No idea how folk with things like the Aston Martin
With 777 bhp and Lamborghini Urez get to exploit their performance in the UK these days

I was just there and had my first experience renting a car and driving on the left. Very exciting! Wife wanted the Mercedes, but should have gotten the Volvo SUV or Land Rover. It was mostly rural areas of Scotland and there was often no shoulder. Compliments to the skills and courtesy of your fellow drivers! Far better than many US drivers.

I’ve driven plenty of fast cars. If you love those cars would encourage you To take one out on a proper racetrack where you can unleash its full potential. I stopped dreaming about a fast road car and started dreaming about a fast race car and track membership.

Same with a LC take it off road!

 

[Winchester44]

In the UK it’s GBP 80k so I can see why people question using a 4 pot 2.8 diesel from the HiLux but the UK now has literally hundreds of thousands of speed cameras pretty much everywhere so you can’t relax and just drive or you are highly likely to pick up fines/points

So in the real world the “safety” features that work with the active cruise are needed to avoid fines/points (I switch to visual warning only) and so the engine works fine for me - a big V8 would be nice but most of the time would be compromised

No idea how folk with things like the Aston Martin
With 777 bhp and Lamborghini Urez get to exploit their performance in the UK these days

Did you say 80 thousand pounds? WOW!

How much of that is VAT and other fees?

 

[EOD Guy]

I was hoping they were going to do one of their videos on this (like they did with swapping out headlights a while ago). Would you be willing to reveal the out the door cost for this procedure?

I think they are planning to do a video. As far as cost..... TBD.

 

[flyingtrotter]

Yep UK price is far more than US and the spec changes are not insignificant

They charge what they can get away with - all the FEs available in the UK sold so they probably pay themselves on the back and conclude they priced it right

 

[Winchester44]

Yep UK price is far more than US and the spec changes are not insignificant

They charge what they can get away with - all the FEs available in the UK sold so they probably pay themselves on the back and conclude they priced it right

Wow. Good for Toyota I suppose. I suppose we have a similar issue with Land Rover Defender here. They claim you can get a base spec Defender 90 for $46K, but you will almost never find that vehicle for sale. Go to a dealer and all the inventory is $80K+ specs with many on the lot well over $100K and they seem to have little problem selling every one. I saw plenty of basic Defenders out and about in rural areas of the UK doing real Land Rover things. (covered in mud and dust).

Curious what size gas tank(s) does yours come with?