First oil change at 12 miles.

[ERROR504]

Thanks to all the info on here. I went in to do my first oil change at 1100. Service rep was like that’s such a waste, it’s not going to be free. Told him to just burn one and move on.

 

[Midwest Duo]

I’m inept when it comes to technology… can someone do one of those word usage graphics for this forum? I’m dying to know how big the “premium” and “oil” circles would be…

 

[Dr. M]

This glitter is only a concern if 1) you don't have a filter and 2) it is an abnormally large amount. If the latter, no level of oil changing is going to fix it because the engine is already eating the bearing and you'll be getting a new engine courtesy of Toyota's warranty department.

I was a Quality Engineer for an engine line in a past life. I've pulled the drain plugs off dozens of engines right off the end of the line and they all have this. It is totally normal. The little bits of metal from the run-in of the engine have to go somewhere. There's a strainer and a filter in the system to prevent those bits from getting to places where they actually could be dangerous.

It is also totally wild to me that people would give a car company $70k for a vehicle and not trust them to set the oil change intervals. Quality doesn't happen by accident. These OCIs are studied and confirmed and studied again. The engines are designed from the outset for these intervals which impacts sump size, how the oil is used (lubrication, actuation of VVTi, cooling, etc). If you meet specific conditions, they recommend shorter intervals because they've studied those specific conditions, too.

Thanks for this information, based on actual engineering experience in the QC domain. I personally agree that Toyota would prefer to keep its excellent reputation for quality and value, rather than become known as the car company who hands out free engine replacements. Dr. M

 

[Dr. M]

As I mentioned above, I trust Toyota to design an engine to work, for a long time; just like my 1999 Land Cruiser did. It is still running. I actually have come to like my 2024 FE LC even more than I loved our 1999 LC. Maybe it’s because I am older now, but, the idea of crawling under my FE to change oil often, make my back hurt. I spent $2,000 for the 10 year, 100,000 mile extended warranty. ONLY because this is a brand new vehicle. But, I doubt I will get my monies worth from that warranty. I have owned new Mercedes, BMW’s, Alfa Romeo, VW’s, Volvo, Genesis, Hyundai’s, Toyota’s, Jeep, Subaru’s, and Equus (look it up!) and let’s face it, AUTOMOBILES ARE NOT GOOD INVESTMENTS. We buy and drive them because we love machines. I would place Toyota near the top of that list of cars, in terms of quality control, and reliability. Change your oil often, in the driveway, if you like. But, fear-mongering about metal flakes destroying engines only scares folks who aren’t very mechanical or experienced. The new LC keeps beating the G-Wagon, LR Defender, Ineos, and Bronco, in test after test. Love it, or just buy something else. You have tons of great options.

 

[ATbuckhunter]

I did my first this past weekend at 1,350 miles. I'll change my oil every 3-5k miles. Basically once I hit 3,000, I'll just change the oil the next time I have some free time. Makes me feel better to know the oil is good. From some research im seeing, the type of gas used also has a huge impact on engine wear as well. I would have never thought it made that big of a difference, but turns out it does. I was planning on using 87 now that I'm past my break in, but might just stick with premium

 

[MAC25LC]

Pick up my LC on the 12th, looking for par number for oil filter, want to cross reference it to Donaldson Filter, also is it 0W-20 oil?

 

[EOD Guy]

MAC25LC, Welcome to the Jungle!

Oil filter part#: 90915-YZZN1
It is 0w20 full syn

 

[MAC25LC]

MAC25LC, Welcome to the Jungle!

Oil filter part#: 90915-YZZN1
It is 0w20 full syn

Thanks

 

[monikersupreme]

Picked up our 2025 yesterday.

did the first oil change at just 12 miles.

Oil had lots of micro flakes and metallic sheen, almost like micro glitter

SO glad I did a spill & fill oil change right then before going any further. cheap drain pan, hand tools, right in the drive of a friends house.

Remember- these engines idle a lot between leaving the plant and delivery day. That oil prob had lots of hours on it..

I also put a Votex Magnetic oil drain plug in, and then 6qts Mobil 1.

Then drove it 600 miles home from the dealer, lots of varying highway speeds, miles, gears, terrain etc. Tried to keep my foot out of it and out of the boost. (easier said than done done on these engines if you watch he turbo gauge! )

Got home, immediately Drained the oil at 600 miles. Oil looked GREAT, magnetic plug had just the finest coating of thin grey on it, clearly looked like bearing material from break-in. hardly any, just enough to wipe off.. but the Mag plug did its job. remember they only catch ferrous materials like bearing lead.

Will do another change at 1500 miles, then every 5k. Too easy not to, and great insurance.

After seeing the oil at 12 miles, I absolutely cannot fathom taking that oil to 10,000 miles on the first change. I imagine hundreds, probably thousands of ignorant or unwitting customers will happily drive their Land Cruisers to their first oil change without knowing a difference. I wonder how those engines & turbos will fare in the long run.

just sharing my experience. Cheers

Did mine at 1200 and saw the same; it gave me a huge scare and tbh I'm still rather worried even after reading that it's not uncommon (for the first oil change).

I will hold off fully freaking out until my next oil change likely @2500-3000 miles.

What size magnetic plug does the LC250 take... do these actually help filter the oil or are the more a diagnostic tool (do you have to replace them with each oil change)?

 

[EOD Guy]

Did mine at 1200 and saw the same; it gave me a huge scare and tbh I'm still rather worried even after reading that it's not uncommon (for the first oil change).

I will hold off fully freaking out until my next oil change likely @2500-3000 miles.

What size magnetic plug does the LC250 take... do these actually help filter the oil or are the more a diagnostic tool (do you have to replace them with each oil change)?

Just my opinion and won't be liked by others..........

I don't use magnetic drain plugs in the engine oil pan, my reasoning........ Yes they will attract ferrous particles but not the alum, bronze, brass, copper and other non-ferrous metal, so if present, they would still be suspended in the oil. The oil filter will trap "X" sized particles and prevent them from entering the oil passages. I change my oil/filter at 5K intervals thus removing any suspended particles and lets face it the only other thing you could do is wipe off the drain plug and reinstall it.

Now in a closed system, like an automatic transmission where the fluid is changed at a much larger interval and doesn't get the routine flushing and filter change, a magnet makes sense.

 

[EnigmaOperator]

Just my opinion and won't be liked by others..........

I don't use magnetic drain plugs in the engine oil pan, my reasoning........ Yes they will attract ferrous particles but not the alum, bronze, brass, copper and other non-ferrous metal, so if present, they would still be suspended in the oil. The oil filter will trap "X" sized particles and prevent them from entering the oil passages. I change my oil/filter at 5K intervals thus removing any suspended particles and lets face it the only other thing you could do is wipe off the drain plug and reinstall it.

Now in a closed system, like an automatic transmission where the fluid is changed at a much larger interval and doesn't get the routine flushing and filter change, a magnet makes sense.

Yeah.. lots of back and forth on them for use in Oil pans. you are right about what they attract and don't. My thinking is any filtration or removal of solids they do is a good thing. They are cheap, and cant hurt.

 

[Lutie D.]

Thanks

I had my oil changed at 610 at the end of September and it had a super strong gas smell. I had it tested at Blackstone and everything was well within specs. I used Pennzoil ultra platinum and an Ecogard synthetic filter which came sealed at the bottom. I'm getting an oil/filter change tomorrow, the filter is quite hefty for it's size, and cost is now under $7. Oil was still near golden color at 5,330 when I checked and much less gas smell than at 610 so I am sticking with the same combo.

 

[ultane]

I had my oil changed at 610 at the end of September and it had a super strong gas smell. I had it tested at Blackstone and everything was well within specs. I used Pennzoil ultra platinum and an Ecogard synthetic filter which came sealed at the bottom. I'm getting an oil/filter change tomorrow, the filter is quite hefty for its size, and cost is now under $7. Oil was still near golden color at 5,330 when I checked and much less gas smell than at 610 so I am sticking with the same combo.

I used Blackstone for over a decade. They may not be as good as SPEEDiagnostix, which may be worth the $ for oil analysis. They actually measure the amount of fuel in the oil. I’ve learned recently that fuel in the motor oil is not unusual in our hybrids.

Time will tell.

 

[dbirling]

at first I though I read first change at 12K and was like… Oh no!!