Another Black 1958 but compared to the Lexus GX550.
2024 Toyota Land Cruiser vs Lexus GX550: Is the Lexus REALLY Better?
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I'd really like to know why they insist on putting the batteries in the cargo/people space...Making the cargo space on the LC (and the Sequoia for that matter!) smaller than what a 4Runner is working with. There is plenty of room between the frame rails. Also, I am not an engineer and I'm assuming there's a better reason for it than laziness LOL
*edited because I typed it dumberer
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I think there are three reasons.
1. It can differentiate the LC and GX
2. It can save some budget on Chair Modularization development for different car
3. Supply chain and Parts availability (GX, LC, 2025 4runner are likely to have the same second row structure for the next 15 years)
I think that Toyota is stick to the LEAN manufacturing thinking mode.
I wasn't talking about the seats. I could...They are dumb for a two-row, but I agree with you about why they are they way they are. FYI, the 4Runner has had two different rear seat designs for the last 15 years.
I was talking about the batteries. They're taking up interior space, raising the load floor, and compromising how the cargo/people space is configured negatively. The Sequoia's cargo setup, along with a non-removable third row made me 100% cross it off my list. And it's because of the battery placement (and them cheaping out with a solid axle while bumping the price another 25%, but that's yet another diatribe).
I was talking about the batteries. They're taking up interior space, raising the load floor, and compromising how the cargo/people space is configured negatively. The Sequoia's cargo setup, along with a non-removable third row made me 100% cross it off my list. And it's because of the battery placement (and them cheaping out with a solid axle while bumping the price another 25%, but that's yet another diatribe).
Do you mean the Landcrusier has a rear solid axle just to save cost ? Please remember this car is a durable and reliable off-roader designed to be very comfortable and efficient on the road.
I think they were saying that the Sequoia was cheaped out.
The Sequoia is SRA on purpose, IMO. It differentiates it from the Tahoe and Wagoneer. Sure, not many people will off road a Sequoia, but it will tow better and selling that perception that someone could off road it is good marketing. FWIW, several people have removed the 3rd row of the Sequoia and it's absolutely massive back there with the 3rd row gone. It cleans up quite nicely, too. I wish the body were more tidy because it would then be a decent Land Cruiser 300 substitute. Too much plastic hanging down at this point.
Also, I think that the batteries inside the cabin are intentional. It's more protected from debris or off road hits that could cause quite the thermal event if the battery were punctured. I think there is less space between the frame rails than you'd expect. Engine, electric motor, transmission, transfer case, front and rear prop shafts, spare tire, and exhaust all consume space between the frame rails. It would need to be a very particular shape and would need significant armor if it were tucked in the frame rails.
Thanks for that clarification to LC-120. Yeah I meant that the Sequoia went SRA.
I know it was on purpose, it had to be. They went out of their way to do it. The last gen had IRS LOL
I agree that that was likely their main reasoning behind the batteries in the cabin. I just feel like they could put a tank of a skid plate under them and slap them on either side of the driveshaft, inches above the bottom of the frame rails. Again...I'm not an engineer, so I'm sure they have many other (good) reasons to do it this way. I'm just mad about it. It legit keeps me a mile away from considering a Sequoia. LC looks to be a bit better packaging back there (seats are still dumb), certainly not to dealbreaker levels.
I think it bothers my pea brain on several levels that the smallest of the body on frame Toyota SUVs has the largest and most useful cargo area...And I like to complain on internet forums. I've been at that for over 25 years LOL
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Is there anything specific about the LC that makes you prefer it more?
Yes I much prefer the the interior of the LC. I prefer the real buttons, and leather seats. The Overtrail synthetic leather feels and smells fake. I also prefer the rear climate control with the LC, the LC ride is smoother, and I prefer the LC drive train. I still dont trust that GX ttV6. Lastly I know it’s petty but the drivers arm rest in the GX is not flat. It digs into your left elbow.
The battery is placed in the back for 2 reasons. First, that is the highest point on the frame, so the battery will not get wet unless the cabin is filled halfway with water. Second is for performance, LC hybrid have nearly perfect 50/50 weight distribution since battery is behind the rear axel.
yup and I’m thinking they also put the battery in the cabin so the temperature won’t hit it as hard.
The instant torque from the hybrid motor will likely perform better on technical sections of trail, rather than waiting for turbo chargers to spool up.
Another possible reason is that the hybrid battery could have been installed lower, but the spare tire would need to be eliminated or mounted elsewhere.
It is a big battery and not obvious to me where else they could reasonably put it. Can't move it forward under the 2nd row seat or backward due to gas tank and spare tire.
Were would it fit without compromising everything else?
Were would it fit without compromising everything else?
I started out on the GX waiting list but switched to a Land Cruiser. I’m fine with either engine. To me, the differences in image and ethos are what mattered. I don’t dislike Lexus but this sort of vehicle doesn’t quite seem like it should be a Lexus to me. And I like the Land Cruiser heritage and culture. Also I prefer the look of the Land Cruiser front end to the GX. All that for about $10K less.
It takes the place of the under seat storage in the second row. The non-hybrid has some cubbies under there.
