Good point. LC contains more "Luxury and Tech" for those that want it.
When P<1%, or say P=0, is the case that interests me. I am trying to find a good reason to convince myself that my decision to with LC is brilliant decision
You are suggesting go with the higher trim as P tends to 0, perhaps for better ride and comfort? But its the same body, frame and suspension across all trims, resulting in the same ride quality.
So, curious, what is your reason to keep LC, and even further to go with higher trim, when the offroad-use is tending to 0.
Agree the LC trim without premium package is the best value, but if we are talking about value, can I interest you in a Honda Pilot Trailsport for $47k ($51k MSRP minus dealer discount)?
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Probably because you're not vertically challenged
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YES!
I wouldn't say I'm particular gifted either at 5'9" lolProbably because you're not vertically challenged
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A lot more gifted than me....LOL
The biggest problem with short legs...... you can't step very high!
Honda Pilot Trailsport? Fine vehicle I'm sure, but unless we're comparing it to the RAV4 Trail, it really is bringing a knife to an off-road gunfight.
Sounds like you really want the Bronco.
I think the LC trim is best but i ordered a 1958 in Hawaii its hard to keep anything nice .... Surfing Hunting Camping too stressful with all the nice stuff plus extra money for tint rims tires seat covers floor mats all add up ....wish 1958 had disconnect and MTS
I was just going to get the 1958. Then I realized that I am not getting any younger, may as well go for the top of the line FE. It’s only money. I cannot take it with me, and my kids don’t need it.
Value is definitely relative & it all depends on your situation & what you plan to do with it. I’m not a base model shopper though as I see value in spending extra on a vehicle I’d hope to have 10+ years (or I wouldn’t need to investigate Toyotas). There are upgrades on this list I’d probably spend $6K for on their own. Glad there’s some choice & variability though to reach more customers.
My Landy/ core/base with premium package is at the Long Beach port in Los Angeles county. Premium package has everything I ever wanted. Love this deal. Paid 425 for blizzard pearl. Mid July, it is heading to my dealer. So thankful for the choices I made.
I went with the 1958 because it had the essentials that I wanted. The dealer had both, and wanted $5k additional for the LC LC, and I like the round headlights. I traded a 2015 4Runner Trail (150k miles) for it and I disliked the 4R power cloth seats - they showed every spill and baby mess and were a pain to clean... Rarely used the power seats. I did not want a "moonroof" - I have had 3 vehicles with them and they all leaked eventually. My 58 came with manual "leather" seats that are heated and are still very comfortable and easy to adjust, IMO. The seat heat is very nice on cold mornings. I have about 2000 miles on it in a little over a month and thus far no regrets. My 4R had more traction options than I ever used and would go plenty of places without using all that stuff. I wanted AT tires on the LC, but the OEM 58 "street" tires are nice and quiet compared to the AT tires on my 4R, and I get much better mileage on the LC, although the higher octane requirement is more expensive. I may replace the OEM tires when they wear out but will probably get the same size tires in an AT tread. I added a stock Toyota roof rack, and I agree it is a pain in the butt to put stuff up there due to the height. The 4R was easier to put stuff on the roof rack, but the rack was not as good as the LC. I was very happy with the toughness of the 4R - a couple of years ago I hit a small deer and it only messed up the fender and the grille (it cost my insurance company $7000 to fix non-structural parts, but there was no structural damage). The LC is very comfortable on the road, and thus far just fine with my limited off-road test driving. The plastic in the interior does not bother me - easy to clean if it gets mud or dirt on it. The Toyota side rails with the steps on the LC seem to me to be a bit vulnerable, but we will see. I don't plan to do any rock crawling anyway.
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Put it this way: Can you add all of those things yourself for $6K, including time and material? If so, you're right. If not, you're wrong.
I dunno... These discussions of "why did Toyota do this instead of that" or "why would I pay $X for this when I want that for $Y" seem mostly inspired by the fallacious arguments that so many so-called critics and reviewers use to troll for clicks and views.
My reasoning?
A) do you really think that Toyota, a $300 billion international corporation, put no thought or market research into this platform? Doesn't mean their decisions end up being the right ones every time, profit-wise, but there must be at least a dozen different trims for the LC/Prado across the globe being produced at no small cost to efficiency vs making just one stripped down version for everyone. Production decisions are not made solely on the whim of some dictatorial CEO (Oh, wait. . .). If you want a custom suit, don't shop at a department store.
B) too many of these questions/complaints are too similar to the point that it is clear (IMHO) that the ideas and even the verbiage therein are being recycled through many, if not all of these review videos and posts and the amount of original thought and comment is actually pretty thin. Sure, you'd expect there to be some consistencies but you'll need to convince me it's not coincidence for there to be like a dozen review videos that refer to the LC hitch cover as a "diaper", "full diaper" or "dirty diaper." Yeah, I get that it's ugly but no way did that thought spontaneously arise independently among 20 youtubers at the same time. It's laziness designed to create specious arguments and click-bait titles that generate views and comments to boost revenues, not to inform the buying public.
C) if you have the wherewithal to purchase one of these vehicles surely you have some sense of who you are, what you need, how much you have to spend and how you want to spend your money. This is not meant to be a ad hominem attack and it is fair to ask legitimate questions and inform consumers but if you're stating that "well this doesn't have everything I want" or "this has a bunch of crap I don't need" you've sort of answered your own questions before it's asked, no?
D) finally, just look at the amount wasted thought, time and effort that I've put into commenting on this thread when I should have been doing something productive. 'nuff said.
Here endeth the rant
My reasoning?
A) do you really think that Toyota, a $300 billion international corporation, put no thought or market research into this platform? Doesn't mean their decisions end up being the right ones every time, profit-wise, but there must be at least a dozen different trims for the LC/Prado across the globe being produced at no small cost to efficiency vs making just one stripped down version for everyone. Production decisions are not made solely on the whim of some dictatorial CEO (Oh, wait. . .). If you want a custom suit, don't shop at a department store.
B) too many of these questions/complaints are too similar to the point that it is clear (IMHO) that the ideas and even the verbiage therein are being recycled through many, if not all of these review videos and posts and the amount of original thought and comment is actually pretty thin. Sure, you'd expect there to be some consistencies but you'll need to convince me it's not coincidence for there to be like a dozen review videos that refer to the LC hitch cover as a "diaper", "full diaper" or "dirty diaper." Yeah, I get that it's ugly but no way did that thought spontaneously arise independently among 20 youtubers at the same time. It's laziness designed to create specious arguments and click-bait titles that generate views and comments to boost revenues, not to inform the buying public.
C) if you have the wherewithal to purchase one of these vehicles surely you have some sense of who you are, what you need, how much you have to spend and how you want to spend your money. This is not meant to be a ad hominem attack and it is fair to ask legitimate questions and inform consumers but if you're stating that "well this doesn't have everything I want" or "this has a bunch of crap I don't need" you've sort of answered your own questions before it's asked, no?
D) finally, just look at the amount wasted thought, time and effort that I've put into commenting on this thread when I should have been doing something productive. 'nuff said.
Here endeth the rant
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