Is the 2024 Land Cruiser drive train proven?
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My gut feel is the Turbo 4 will not be as forgiving as a normally-aspirated V6 or V8. Drove a turbo Subaru for years, but was always careful to allow it to warm up and cool/spool down. No issues. Will one be able to get 300K+ out of the turbo 4? Doubtful in my opinion, given the pressures and demand on the engine. Would I buy one? Sure! Do we really have a choice?
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It might be a wash, as by 300K the battery will need to be replaced, at least once.
This is a good point. Remember I have an EV. Anyhow there is a 10 years 100k warranty on the battery and with all this research and investment all over the planet I hope to see smaller, cheaper and overall much better replacement batteries in 2032. Wishful thinking ?
BTW if before buying the new LC250 or any iForce MAX Toyota you ask the dealership what is the price of that hybrid 1.87 kWh battery what will they reply ??
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The battery cells are integrated with the charging system, so it’s unlikely future suppliers of replacement cells will be able to significantly modify the cell characteristics. Considerable engineering development cost will be required to change the cells and make them backwards compatible with current production. It is possible the LC250 will be successful in the marketplace and remain essentially unchanged for the next 15 years; this will ensure replacement cells are readily available for the foreseeable future. I am concerned about the availability of replacement cells, and Toyota has not clearly communicated their commitment to make replacement cells available beyond the 10 year warranty period.
The Toyota hybrid charging system already reconditions the NiMH cells collectively, this characteristic is not possible with Li-Ion chemistries. NiMH cells have a limited reconditioning potential, so I don’t see an advantage of removing the cells to recondition them individually; the cells should all be replaced with new cells at the same time for voltage balancing. More work needs to be done across the industry to establish end-of-life support for EVs and battery replacement; it’s not clear to me how this is going to unfold.
The Toyota hybrid charging system already reconditions the NiMH cells collectively, this characteristic is not possible with Li-Ion chemistries. NiMH cells have a limited reconditioning potential, so I don’t see an advantage of removing the cells to recondition them individually; the cells should all be replaced with new cells at the same time for voltage balancing. More work needs to be done across the industry to establish end-of-life support for EVs and battery replacement; it’s not clear to me how this is going to unfold.
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It is out of question to recondition EV or Hybrid batteries. They may change the technology or not, but anyhow in 10 years the battery price will drop.
Toyota will offer full support and reasonable price, they cannot afford to ruin Landcruiiser reputation. And this battery is the same for a wide range of vehicles (Grand)Highlander, Landcruiser, Tacoma. Sequoia, Tundra.
For me, the hybrid battery lifetime and cost is not a problem at all.
Toyota will offer full support and reasonable price, they cannot afford to ruin Landcruiiser reputation. And this battery is the same for a wide range of vehicles (Grand)Highlander, Landcruiser, Tacoma. Sequoia, Tundra.
For me, the hybrid battery lifetime and cost is not a problem at all.
Li-Ion chemistries can not be reconditioned, and replacing indivual cells introduces voltage imbalances. The hybrid system partially reconditions Nicad and NiMH chemistries onboard. There is limited benefit to reconditioning indidual cells considering the time to remove/reinstall the cells and the resulting voltage imbalances. Battery capacity loss over time is gradual at first and then becomes exponential. No mortal can predict what the EV industry will look like in 20 years.
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Question: How does battery age figure into the degradation equation? In our case we only drive about 3500 miles/year. I am beginning to question how advantageous a hybrid vehicle would be for us...
I did some research on this. Might be biased findings but most people with Toyota hybrids have said the batteries lasted over 10 years, and averaged about $2500 or so to replace. Considering the fuel savings (and additional power), I'd suggest that's a good tradeoff.
Toyota Hybrid Owners Speak Out on Battery Length and Cost
How long do hybrid batteries last and how much to replace? Hear from owners of Toyota Prius and other popular models.
www.torquenews.com
EDIT: Sorry, missed the part about your low mileage driving habits.
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Good point. High mileage drivers will experience the most economic benefit. Capacity loss happens over time when the battery is charged and ready for service. The standard capacity loss curves apply as long as the charge level is service-ready at nominal ambient temperatures.
A 10 year life for NiMH cells seems reasonable. I was estimating $100 per cell if I did the replacement myself. $2500 seems low and may reflect some folks using reconditioned cells.I did some research on this. Might be biased findings but most people with Toyota hybrids have said the batteries lasted about 10 years, and averaged about $2500 to replace. Considering the fuel savings (and additional power), I'd suggest that's a good tradeoff.
Toyota Hybrid Owners Speak Out on Battery Length and Cost
How long do hybrid batteries last and how much to replace? Hear from owners of Toyota Prius and other popular models.
It is already a business for replacing and reconditioning hybrid batteries. It will be huge in 2030 no matter where the electrified car volume is going (50% 70% or 90%).
Here is an example: All you need to know about Hybrid Battery Reconditioning Green Bean Battery
If you're still afraid of electrified vehicles and their chemistries read this: The Hidden Cost of EV and Hybrid Battery Replacement
And this is about Toyota, the manufacturer with the best/longest experience in hybrid technology. There are millions of Prius on US roads today and lot of other hybrid Toyota;.
Step-by-step most people (not everybody
) will be very interested in fuel efficiency and pollution in general.
Here is an example: All you need to know about Hybrid Battery Reconditioning Green Bean Battery
If you're still afraid of electrified vehicles and their chemistries read this: The Hidden Cost of EV and Hybrid Battery Replacement
And this is about Toyota, the manufacturer with the best/longest experience in hybrid technology. There are millions of Prius on US roads today and lot of other hybrid Toyota;.
Step-by-step most people (not everybody
) will be very interested in fuel efficiency and pollution in general."Toyota unveiled its all-hybrid seventh-generation ‘widebody’ Camry last week, internally known as XV80, which will exclusively be powered by a hybrid powertrain as its signature long-selling V6 option will no longer be available. This is arguably as important a move for the brand in the U.S. market as the introduction of the first Prius in 2001. Hybrids have come a long way in the last 22 years, and Toyota continues to define them for the mainstream market."
jalopnik.com
Camry has a smaller battery 1.04 kWh.
Toyota is the King of Hybrid ! I would probably need a huge discount in order to purchase a car which is neither Tesla nor Toyota.
Toyota Will Save American Drivers 48 Million Gallons Of Gas Per Year By Making The Camry Hybrid-Only
The Japanese automaker might be making a great choice with the future of its brand.
jalopnik.com
Camry has a smaller battery 1.04 kWh.
Toyota is the King of Hybrid ! I would probably need a huge discount in order to purchase a car which is neither Tesla nor Toyota.
The cab was removed on a few early ones to have better access for Toyota engineers to investigate the problem. The repair manual for replacing a turbo does not call for removing the cab.
As far as "proven"... the electric motor was pulled straight from Tundra. I'd be pretty comfortable about the 8AT, transfer case, and axles. Engine is in the sorta category. It shares a lot with the transverse mounted T24, but there are new parts for the longitudinal iteration (turbo, intercooler setup, various bits accessory bits). It is also a new manufacturing facility for the T24 engine, so there will be some manufacturing related teething issues. Sharing so much of the platform with LC300, LX 600, Tundra, Sequoia, and the upcoming Tacoma does mean there is an economy of scale of sorts when it comes to quality, though. Minimizing those iterations is usually a good thing for quality.
At the end of the day, it is a little risky to buy a first model year. I did it with my 2010 4Runner and it was flawless and the same thing with my 2023 GR Corolla (so far).
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And my '07 Tundra. By far the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned, which includes several other Toyota trucks/SUV's, and a few Hondas mixed in there. I won't mention how the Ford experiments went.
FYI the Tacoma/LC 2.4 turbo is different from the regular Toyota’s
It will be interesting to dissect in more detail the differences.
