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This is the definitive on- and off-road review of the J250-series Toyota Land Cruiser, putting its challenges into perspective by explaining how it fits into the 70-year Land Cruiser lineage, together with the 2024 Lexus GX550.
How Toyota Got the 2024 Land Cruiser So Wrong — Full Review & History — Jason Cammisa on the ICONS
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This is the definitive on- and off-road review of the J250-series Toyota Land Cruiser, putting its challenges into perspective by explaining how it fits into the 70-year Land Cruiser lineage, together with the 2024 Lexus GX550.
I have no idea who Jason Cammisa is, and I don’t care. Everyone is allowed an opinion. I am happy with Miss Daisy, and I am not going to give him another ‘view’ so he can further be monetized. I almost always block channels that post up negative reviews.
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Yea, some people live in the past, clinging to something that was ‘special’ to them at some point in their earlier life, never being satisfied with what is in their life now.
How Toyota got it so wrong, yet they sold more units in the US in 2024 compared to all the Land Cruisers sold in the US between 2015-2021?
Toyota produces cars to sell, not because it it would appease random youtubers. The cars these people imagine would either be extremely uncomfortable/unsafe/impractical for regular use, or they would be way too expensive like the G-wagon.
Toyota produces cars to sell, not because it it would appease random youtubers. The cars these people imagine would either be extremely uncomfortable/unsafe/impractical for regular use, or they would be way too expensive like the G-wagon.
same ole you know what. Bring back Madge, and the calgon.
Gross exaggeration of Land Cruisers vulnerabilities primarily it's a Hybrid. Put another way it's impressive that it gets almost as much horse power and torque from a four cylinder hybrid as the Lexus GX550 does with better milage. His main criticism came from the fact that it is a hybrid which to me is an advantage. Just goes to show that these reviews are not an objective. They are revenue generators for their producers. I wanted a First Edition, but got the GX OT because it was available and cheaper only because at the time Toyota dealers were adding $10 to $15K above asking here in San Diego. I like my GX but I love the LC especially when I see what some of you have done to yours.
Back in the early to mid days of the 5th gen 4Runners, it was the same rhetoric. They say oh almost there but mommy the headlights are weak and therefore very unsafe. It's underpowered. It's ancient and on and on and on. Now they complain these new LCs are too modern and have small balls.
The ball size is an optical illusion because size is relative to what's next to the balls.
Well turns out that the 5th gen 4Runner was and is one of the best vehicles ever made.
20 years from now we will still be talking about them and regret selling them.
And so far this new LC has been just a more modern and improved in every which way 5th gen 4Runner. Well save the lack of a spot for my sun goggles.
The ball size is an optical illusion because size is relative to what's next to the balls.
Well turns out that the 5th gen 4Runner was and is one of the best vehicles ever made.
20 years from now we will still be talking about them and regret selling them.
And so far this new LC has been just a more modern and improved in every which way 5th gen 4Runner. Well save the lack of a spot for my sun goggles.
The LC Reddit sub had this posted. Brought out all the typical grumps and groans from the 'we hate everything' Reddit universe. Refreshing to see the real forum react to clickbait noise for what it is.
Actually have a title with either unfinished sentence or question mark can get more attention. or in this case as a reverse psychology rate something super popular with very negative title might do the trick to the curious ones
I have a 250 and I don't agree with his assessment of driving it. But it was a well made video. I checked out the Lexus and it felt too luxury to me. I didn't like the interior. I didn't feel the twin-turbo V6 was significantly nicer than the 250's 2.4L. And the instant torque of an electric motor could be superior to the twin-turbo V6 in the GX when on trails. And the 250 gets significantly better MPG, which matters on a long road trip. Interesting how he kept saying The Land Cruiser was never meant to be luxury. Capability and durability were its identifiers. Then he criticized the 250 for not being luxury enough. LOL. I think most people who share his view are missing the point of the 250's power plant. I could have gotten the Overtrail GX for nearly the same cost, but I chose the LC because I like it better. The guy over at Driving Sports TV compared them and agreed the LC is the better rig on trail. So it wears the LC badge not by mistake. The Lexus is nicer on the highway, hence the Lexus badge. Toyota knows what's it's doing.
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Exactly! It’s a well-produced video but it reports numerous things (such as steering shake) that objectively are not true. I’ve taken mine to its max 109 mph speed and it was perfectly fine.
I have not experienced any steering wheel shake either. I wonder if he had an issue with the tires on that First Edition. And the sound of the 4cylinder engine does not bother me. I guess it bothers some. But not me. Yours is the first report I've seen of max speed. I have no intention of testing that myself, LOL. But I really do think the LC is the better vehicle for people like myself, who spend a fair bit of time on trails at slow speeds. We also pull an off-road trailer so the electric motor is a huge benefit there. I've switched out to some moderately aggressive all-terrains and still get 23MPG on the highway. I'm loving the 250. There is nothing about the GX which appealed to me more than the LC.
That was an enjoyable film, especially the historical lineage aspect.
I'd rather put pinstripes on the LC than the GX ...
I'd rather put pinstripes on the LC than the GX ...
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Another point about the absurdity of these sorts of perspectives is that they are fully countered by objective facts. While this video is quite belated for a car that started getting reviews a year ago, saying Toyota got the LC 250 “so wrong” is plainly stupid as it’s pretty much on back order in all markets. So while this does indeed have its real flaws, like the stupidly small gas tank, the market makes quite clear Toyota didn’t get this wrong. You don’t get much useful information from “content creators” like this. And the terminology from this sort of “career” pretty much tells you everything about what this is.
Spent the weekend taking the Land Cruiser through the paces at the ranch. Went up a steep, turning slope on a muddy road with loose rocks, climbed like a billy goat (first time I felt the need for 4Lo). Went though low water crossings and up and down narrow trails. Previously ran it through a long unmaintained two day route through big bend. It’s been nails on everything.
What we have it a vehicle that performs about as well as a jeep offroad, but is well mannered and handsome for around town. The squeak sound in reverse when the vehicle is cold and the small gas tank are the only two real demerits.
This is a practical, well performing and versatile vehicle. Fits my lifestyle perfectly. Time will tell on the power train’s longevity, but its performance has been great. I’m 9,000 miles in, by the way.
What we have it a vehicle that performs about as well as a jeep offroad, but is well mannered and handsome for around town. The squeak sound in reverse when the vehicle is cold and the small gas tank are the only two real demerits.
This is a practical, well performing and versatile vehicle. Fits my lifestyle perfectly. Time will tell on the power train’s longevity, but its performance has been great. I’m 9,000 miles in, by the way.
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Just remember that the core purpose of these influencers is to capture your views because that's what makes them money, not to objectively review cars (or anything else for that matter - "objective" and "review" are not particularly compatible concepts in a social media context). During the initial launch when they were all getting free trips from Toyota to take test drives in the desert everyone was all goo-goo over the LC and its "retro styling" and "off-road DNA" but that ran out of steam after a few months and now attention grabbing is best accomplished by teasing with suggestive, negative statements in the titles such as "Is it really Land Cruiser?", especially here in the NA market where few people know a Prado from their own a**&0le and making largely apples to oranges comparisons to other makes and models is an easy way to milk more content (and revenue) from the social media teat.
One could argue that the longer the vehicle has been in the market the more the shine of early adoption excitement has dulled and the negative qualities of the design become more glaring but I would counter that, with very few exceptions, are largely just group think rather than legitimate gripes from real users/owners.
So tl;dr They'll stop making these videos when people stop taking the bait and clicking on them. Get off YouTube and go for a drive-
One could argue that the longer the vehicle has been in the market the more the shine of early adoption excitement has dulled and the negative qualities of the design become more glaring but I would counter that, with very few exceptions, are largely just group think rather than legitimate gripes from real users/owners.
So tl;dr They'll stop making these videos when people stop taking the bait and clicking on them. Get off YouTube and go for a drive-
