Fuel - Premium only?

So was the motor meeting/closer to the rated specs with regular, or with premium?
Only a Toyota engineer would know what the "rated" hp should be at the wheels as measured on a dyno (it's not what is used in marketing for "engine hp")
 
One of the hold backs that I have had regarding the LC is the need for only burning Premium grade Fuel. Has anyone tried to use 87 Octane or a mix of regular 87 with say, a 1/2 tank of premium? This engine is identical to the the 4runner Hybrid I just dont understand why Toyota requires premium grade fuel.
I have about 5200 miles on mine and have tried regular, mid grade and premium. My mileage has not changed, but I rarely am over 3K on thae tach, so for those of you that do, I can't comment on that, My mileage has never varied from around 20 to 21 in mixed driving. I have currently gone to regular only.
 
I treat the owners manual as a minimal guideline (except for fluid change intervals) and will pump 93 or 94 if it’s available.
Ever since I crossed 5000km, my mileage seems to have improved big time and I have been consistently getting 9.3-9.5 L/100km or 24-25 mpg.
 
What do you mean by "a different breed of hamsters"? The torque and HP ratings are the same. Wish someone would post the graphed curves for the HP/Torque of the LC, 4Runner, and Tacoma.
Tacoma puts posted torque and HP ratings at the wheel,
Only a Toyota engineer would know what the "rated" hp should be at the wheels as measured on a dyno (it's not what is used in marketing for "engine hp")
There is one dyno test where they found Tacoma puts hp&torque numbers close to what the engine is rated for at the wheels. So the engine probably has higher hp and torque at the crank compared to what is reported. This may mean Land Cruiser is actually even higher.


 
One of the hold backs that I have had regarding the LC is the need for only burning Premium grade Fuel. Has anyone tried to use 87 Octane or a mix of regular 87 with say, a 1/2 tank of premium? This engine is identical to the the 4runner Hybrid I just dont understand why Toyota requires premium grade fuel.
I run 87 octane most of the time . I honestly can’t tell a difference in running low octane versus premium.
Gas mileage still sucks .
11487 miles my average is 17.6
 
There is one dyno test where they found Tacoma puts hp&torque numbers close to what the engine is rated for at the wheels. So the engine probably has higher hp and torque at the crank compared to what is reported. This may mean Land Cruiser is actually even higher.



Notice those dyno tests are part time 4WD Tacomas which will likely put down more wheel hp than a full time Torsen differential Tacoma or LC250. Toyota probably picked a conservative crank hp rating to account for differences in drivetrain power losses.
 
I run 87 octane most of the time . I honestly can’t tell a difference in running low octane versus premium.
Gas mileage still sucks .
11487 miles my average is 17.6
17.6 is still better than my 2012 4runner Trail Edition at 16.4 mpg.
 
Mazda posts different numbers for their turbo straight six in the CX90. If you run premium, then you get 340 HP and 369 ft-lbs. But, 87 octane produces 280 HP and 329 ft-lbs. The ECM has to recognize that it can run more boost to get those numbers. If Toyota doesn't program the ECM to take advantage of the higher octane, then that's pretty disappointing.
 
Are you trying to Jumpstart the debate as to whether octane just eliminates knocks or also helps with power and fuel efficiency? Isn't this topic long enough :LOL:
 
Are you trying to Jumpstart the debate as to whether octane just eliminates knocks or also helps with power and fuel efficiency? Isn't this topic long enough :LOL:
Ummm. Maybe? Higher octane allows higher compression which leads to more HP and torque. That's not really the question. The question is whether or not we really need the higher octane in our fuel tank. The numbers from Toyota suggests that the higher octane isn't necessary. I use premium, but I wonder if I'm getting more HP and torque than people who use regular.
 
Are you trying to Jumpstart the debate as to whether octane just eliminates knocks or also helps with power and fuel efficiency? Isn't this topic long enough :LOL:
Maybe the admins can create a quarantined forum section for tire size w/out lift, best motor oil, and minimum octane threads?

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(Last thread should be of interest)








 
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