First oil change at 12 miles.

[EnigmaOperator]

Picked up our 2025 yesterday.

did the first oil change at just 12 miles.

Oil had lots of micro flakes and metallic sheen, almost like micro glitter

SO glad I did a spill & fill oil change right then before going any further. cheap drain pan, hand tools, right in the drive of a friends house.

Remember- these engines idle a lot between leaving the plant and delivery day. That oil prob had lots of hours on it..

I also put a Votex Magnetic oil drain plug in, and then 6qts Mobil 1.

Then drove it 600 miles home from the dealer, lots of varying highway speeds, miles, gears, terrain etc. Tried to keep my foot out of it and out of the boost. (easier said than done done on these engines if you watch he turbo gauge! )

Got home, immediately Drained the oil at 600 miles. Oil looked GREAT, magnetic plug had just the finest coating of thin grey on it, clearly looked like bearing material from break-in. hardly any, just enough to wipe off.. but the Mag plug did its job. remember they only catch ferrous materials like bearing lead.

Will do another change at 1500 miles, then every 5k. Too easy not to, and great insurance.

After seeing the oil at 12 miles, I absolutely cannot fathom taking that oil to 10,000 miles on the first change. I imagine hundreds, probably thousands of ignorant or unwitting customers will happily drive their Land Cruisers to their first oil change without knowing a difference. I wonder how those engines & turbos will fare in the long run.

just sharing my experience. Cheers

 

[ptahkeem]

Did my first change at 500 and saw what you saw in the oil. Just did another yesterday at around 1400 and saw more tiny glitter. I think I’m going to do another at 2500 and 5000 since the first ToyotaCare change is at 10k. Def agree though… oil is cheap, engines are not.

 

[ultane]

Picked up our 2025 yesterday.

did the first oil change at just 12 miles.

Oil had lots of micro flakes and metallic sheen, almost like micro glitter

SO glad I did a spill & fill oil change right then before going any further. cheap drain pan, hand tools, right in the drive of a friends house.

Remember- these engines idle a lot between leaving the plant and delivery day. That oil prob had lots of hours on it..

I also put a Votex Magnetic oil drain plug in, and then 6qts Mobil 1.

Then drove it 600 miles home from the dealer, lots of varying highway speeds, miles, gears, terrain etc. Tried to keep my foot out of it and out of the boost. (easier said than done done on these engines if you watch he turbo gauge! )

Got home, immediately Drained the oil at 600 miles. Oil looked GREAT, magnetic plug had just the finest coating of thin grey on it, clearly looked like bearing material from break-in. hardly any, just enough to wipe off.. but the Mag plug did its job. remember they only catch ferrous materials like bearing lead.

Will do another change at 1500 miles, then every 5k. Too easy not to, and great insurance.

After seeing the oil at 12 miles, I absolutely cannot fathom taking that oil to 10,000 miles on the first change. I imagine hundreds, probably thousands of ignorant or unwitting customers will happily drive their Land Cruisers to their first oil change without knowing a difference. I wonder how those engines & turbos will fare in the long run.

just sharing my experience. Cheers

I wish I had of done that…

 

[TLC]

I did mine at 1200 miles on my 2025. I don’t recall seeing any metal flakes. The used oil was the color of Guinness beer, about as expected.
I do still have the used oil, now I think I’ll take a closer look.

 

[D-mac]

After seeing the oil at 12 miles, I absolutely cannot fathom taking that oil to 10,000 miles on the first change. I imagine hundreds, probably thousands of ignorant or unwitting customers will happily drive their Land Cruisers to their first oil change without knowing a difference. I wonder how those engines & turbos will fare in the long run.

Clearly, it is a conspiracy that Toyota has a new business model and wants its dealers to do more engine rebuilds and replacements instead of oil changes. It's a way make money before mass EVs which will not require regular oil changes.

 

[EnigmaOperator]

Not sure about conspiracies but certainly having to change oil on every Land Cruiser sold during it's PDI (pre delivery inspection) and then again at 500 miles, or 5000 miles before the first "Scheduled" oil change at 10,000 would be very costly for Toyota.

for us as maintenance conscious owners- as it's been said in this thread before- Oil is cheap, engines are not.

 

[D-mac]

Not sure about conspiracies but certainly having to change oil on every Land Cruiser sold during it's PDI (pre delivery inspection) and then again at 500 miles, or 5000 miles before the first "Scheduled" oil change at 10,000 would be very costly for Toyota.

Of course it’s much cheaper to replace entire engines like Toyota is funding now for thousands of turbo V6s

 

[NoMe cruiser]

I thought Toyota recommended 5000 miles for the first oil change? That’s what I did. I would think they are aware of proper break in procedures and they may want those little metal flakes floating in the oil for 5,000 miles. Toyota built the engine, it would be hard for me to go against their recommendations.

 

[Area 51]

Good true post, take head young Skywalkers.
Sooner and more often = better, no way around it.
The rest is for consumer grade consumption.

 

[DudewithaLC]

I did my first oil change at 2000 kms (1242 freedom units) and now again I had the dealership do one at the first visit at 5000 kms (3106 freedom units). The windshield sticker says they want me back at 16000 kms (10000) so I think what I'm going to do is alternate every 5000kms between them and me doing a change. Until it's off warranty anyways. I think that's a good maintenance schedule for me. Likely a little excessive, but what's $60 in oil and filter and a bit of time. Plus it's fun.

 

[Area 51]

I did my first oil change at 2000 kms (1242 freedom units) and now again I had the dealership do one at the first visit at 5000 kms (3106 freedom units). The windshield sticker says they want me back at 16000 kms (10000) so I think what I'm going to do is alternate every 5000kms between them and me doing a change. Until it's off warranty anyways. I think that's a good maintenance schedule for me. Likely a little excessive, but what's $60 in oil and filter and a bit of time. Plus it's fun.

What's a freedom unit? Where does that term come from?

 

[NoMe cruiser]

What's a freedom unit? Where does that term come from?

Lol

 

[Kiet2k]

I thought Toyota recommended 5000 miles for the first oil change? That’s what I did. I would think they are aware of proper break in procedures and they may want those little metal flakes floating in the oil for 5,000 miles. Toyota built the engine, it would be hard for me to go against their recommendations.

I took mine into Toyota for a 5000 mile oil change after doing my own at 1100 miles, and the dealership said it was not needed until 10K. I said BS, so they moved my free 10K oil change to 5K.

 

[Markarian421]

I took mine into Toyota for a 5000 mile oil change after doing my own at 1100 miles, and the dealership said it was not needed until 10K. I said BS, so they moved my free 10K oil change to 5K.

The Toyota maintenance guide says every 5k if it’s ever on unpaved roads. Show them that.

 

[jbe2289]

Clearly, it is a conspiracy that Toyota has a new business model and wants its dealers to do more engine rebuilds and replacements instead of oil changes. It's a way make money before mass EVs which will not require regular oil changes.

But it is the case that the recommended intervals are based on what will get it through the warranty period, not for maximum longevity of the engine. Additionally, they are incentivized by CAFE credits for long oil change intervals. And if you look at the fine print, most do no meet the 10,000 mile interval driving conditions and fall under the 5,000 mile conditions: short frequent stops, regular steep climbs, hauling heavy weight/pulling, dusty conditions, high speed driving, etc.

 

[neema2k]

changing my oil at port bro

 

[qberg]

This glitter is only a concern if 1) you don't have a filter and 2) it is an abnormally large amount. If the latter, no level of oil changing is going to fix it because the engine is already eating the bearing and you'll be getting a new engine courtesy of Toyota's warranty department.

I was a Quality Engineer for an engine line in a past life. I've pulled the drain plugs off dozens of engines right off the end of the line and they all have this. It is totally normal. The little bits of metal from the run-in of the engine have to go somewhere. There's a strainer and a filter in the system to prevent those bits from getting to places where they actually could be dangerous.

It is also totally wild to me that people would give a car company $70k for a vehicle and not trust them to set the oil change intervals. Quality doesn't happen by accident. These OCIs are studied and confirmed and studied again. The engines are designed from the outset for these intervals which impacts sump size, how the oil is used (lubrication, actuation of VVTi, cooling, etc). If you meet specific conditions, they recommend shorter intervals because they've studied those specific conditions, too.

 

[EnigmaOperator]

This glitter is only a concern if 1) you don't have a filter and 2) it is an abnormally large amount. If the latter, no level of oil changing is going to fix it because the engine is already eating the bearing and you'll be getting a new engine courtesy of Toyota's warranty department.

I was a Quality Engineer for an engine line in a past life. I've pulled the drain plugs off dozens of engines right off the end of the line and they all have this. It is totally normal. The little bits of metal from the run-in of the engine have to go somewhere. There's a strainer and a filter in the system to prevent those bits from getting to places where they actually could be dangerous.

It is also totally wild to me that people would give a car company $70k for a vehicle and not trust them to set the oil change intervals. Quality doesn't happen by accident. These OCIs are studied and confirmed and studied again. The engines are designed from the outset for these intervals which impacts sump size, how the oil is used (lubrication, actuation of VVTi, cooling, etc). If you meet specific conditions, they recommend shorter intervals because they've studied those specific conditions, too.

While auto engines have a filter, you surely know that not all the oil gets filtered during a “pass” thru the engine, and that the total oil filtered per pass thru the engine is not 100% to support lubrication needs. Also, as an engineer you understand that while all engines during break in produce some metal, which is normal, the less particulate in the system the less wear on the engine. Also, the filter on this new engine is comically small. Compared to my other Crusiers, it’s a fraction of the size. Again, I’m sure it was engineered to the needs of the engine, but it’s tiny, and has a fraction of the filtration media other filter housings have.

While a 10k first oil change might get you to the end of your 5 year 60,000 mile powertrain warranty period, that is not my intention with my LC. I’d like to see this thing far exceed normal engine life expectations..

Anyhow, oil is cheap, engines are not. After I’m done with break in, I’ll be doing a simple 5,000 mile regimen. Too easy not to.

 

[EnigmaOperator]

changing my oil at port bro

That’s too late. You shoulda been doing one on the ship before you hit port

 

[DudewithaLC]

What's a freedom unit? Where does that term come from?

Freedom Unit. 'Murica. You know, you're pretty much the only country on earth using Imperial units, so who brings freedom to the world? America. I think it's quite an amusing term so I repeat it.