Tire Upgrade ?

I've been lurking for some time on this thread, obsessing about tires. For now, I want to keep MPG up and maintain the stock wheels, suspension, and ride, but with a more aggressive tire. I also wanted the largest tire that would fit without any mods, and that would fit in the current spare tire location. Yesterday, I had Discount Tire mount General Grabber AT/X 275/70R18 116S and am very pleased with the results. I notice very little difference in the ride, perhaps a bit more firm (which I think is good), and about the same road noise as stock (I have active noise cancellation and fake engine noise turned off). These tires are only 7 lbs heavier than the OEM tires. I also gained about 3/4" of clearance.
 

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cyclesurfer said:
I've been lurking for some time on this thread, obsessing about tires. For now, I want to keep MPG up and maintain the stock wheels, suspension, and ride, but with a more aggressive tire. I also wanted the largest tire that would fit without any mods, and that would fit in the current spare tire location. Yesterday, I had Discount Tire mount General Grabber AT/X 275/70R18 116S and am very pleased with the results. I notice very little difference in the ride, perhaps a bit more firm (which I think is good), and about the same road noise as stock (I have active noise cancellation and fake engine noise turned off). These tires are only 7 lbs heavier than the OEM tires. I also gained about 3/4" of clearance.
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I had run those on my 4Runner. I liked them and thought they were decent in the snow.
 
cyclesurfer said:
I've been lurking for some time on this thread, obsessing about tires. For now, I want to keep MPG up and maintain the stock wheels, suspension, and ride, but with a more aggressive tire. I also wanted the largest tire that would fit without any mods, and that would fit in the current spare tire location. Yesterday, I had Discount Tire mount General Grabber AT/X 275/70R18 116S and am very pleased with the results. I notice very little difference in the ride, perhaps a bit more firm (which I think is good), and about the same road noise as stock (I have active noise cancellation and fake engine noise turned off). These tires are only 7 lbs heavier than the OEM tires. I also gained about 3/4" of clearance.
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im glad you posted this because im looking at those same tires when my lift and wheels come in. I like the non E rated versions of those as the tire weight is only 47 lbs per tire. Thank you
 
cyclesurfer said:
I've been lurking for some time on this thread, obsessing about tires. For now, I want to keep MPG up and maintain the stock wheels, suspension, and ride, but with a more aggressive tire. I also wanted the largest tire that would fit without any mods, and that would fit in the current spare tire location. Yesterday, I had Discount Tire mount General Grabber AT/X 275/70R18 116S and am very pleased with the results. I notice very little difference in the ride, perhaps a bit more firm (which I think is good), and about the same road noise as stock (I have active noise cancellation and fake engine noise turned off). These tires are only 7 lbs heavier than the OEM tires. I also gained about 3/4" of clearance.
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I'm also obsessing about tires and wanted a non-E rated tire for all the good reasons. I did have the General Grabber AT/x's on my Tacoma and wasn't happy with them in the snow. Did you consider the Nokian Outpost nAT's and the Nitto Terra Grappler G3's? Just wondering what swayed your choice? I bought the Cooper Discoverer Road and Trail's in 265/70/18 and although they are a very nice tire, they just look too small on my LC (I'll be selling them shortly with 1500kms on them).
 
JBLC said:
I'm also obsessing about tires and wanted a non-E rated tire for all the good reasons. I did have the General Grabber AT/x's on my Tacoma and wasn't happy with them in the snow. Did you consider the Nokian Outpost nAT's and the Nitto Terra Grappler G3's? Just wondering what swayed your choice? I bought the Cooper Discoverer Road and Trail's in 265/70/18 and although they are a very nice tire, they just look too small on my LC (I'll be selling them shortly with 1500kms on them).
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I went with KMC IMS 17”x8.5” wheels (KM552MB17856825) and +25mm offset with TOYO Open Country AT/III (285 x 75 R17, 117Q C1 rating). I like the look and ride with these. Additionally this is the largest combination that fits into the spare tire wheel well. 40 psi for wheels on the ground but spare was lowered to 34 psi to fit in wheel well. These are just slightly below 34” diameter.
 

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JBLC said:
I'm also obsessing about tires and wanted a non-E rated tire for all the good reasons. I did have the General Grabber AT/x's on my Tacoma and wasn't happy with them in the snow. Did you consider the Nokian Outpost nAT's and the Nitto Terra Grappler G3's? Just wondering what swayed your choice? I bought the Cooper Discoverer Road and Trail's in 265/70/18 and although they are a very nice tire, they just look too small on my LC (I'll be selling them shortly with 1500kms on them).
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I live in Texas, so snow handling wasn't a huge concern (although several YouTubers thought the Generals were fine in the snow). I don't know anything about the Nikians, so I didn't consider them. I would have strongly considered the Terra Grapplers, but there's no word on when they will be available in the SL load, not on their website, and based on what Discount Tire told me. Most of my driving is to/from work, highway, and occasional offroad when doing some gravel bike riding, so the Generals seem ok. I'm looking forward to more non-E options in the future though.
 
cyclesurfer said:
I've been lurking for some time on this thread, obsessing about tires. For now, I want to keep MPG up and maintain the stock wheels, suspension, and ride, but with a more aggressive tire. I also wanted the largest tire that would fit without any mods, and that would fit in the current spare tire location. Yesterday, I had Discount Tire mount General Grabber AT/X 275/70R18 116S and am very pleased with the results. I notice very little difference in the ride, perhaps a bit more firm (which I think is good), and about the same road noise as stock (I have active noise cancellation and fake engine noise turned off). These tires are only 7 lbs heavier than the OEM tires. I also gained about 3/4" of clearance.
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I like the 275/70/18s on the stock wheels with stock suspension. I think it looks great.
 
cyclesurfer said:
I live in Texas, so snow handling wasn't a huge concern (although several YouTubers thought the Generals were fine in the snow). I don't know anything about the Nikians, so I didn't consider them. I would have strongly considered the Terra Grapplers, but there's no word on when they will be available in the SL load, not on their website, and based on what Discount Tire told me. Most of my driving is to/from work, highway, and occasional offroad when doing some gravel bike riding, so the Generals seem ok. I'm looking forward to more non-E options in the future though.
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Same. Haven’t been dealing with high risk rock punctures for any of my wheeling and I would love some SL/C rated 33-34” options for all those others miles we put on it
 
My local Discount Tire shows the Nitto Terra Grappler G3 in SL 275/70R18 as available in 2-6 days. Also the General Grabber A/TX in the same. Those two plus the rarely mentioned Goodyear Wrangler Territory MT are the only three I've come across that are 275/70R18 in standard load. I'm really hoping the addition of a standard load G3 means we'll soon be seeing more 275 C and standard load options.
 
Oh actually we have a 4th one now, the General Grabber APT:

Discount Tire | Tires and Wheels for Sale | Online & In-Person

It's an OEM Nissan/Infinity tire, and looks very light weight (40 lbs), so maybe not a real contender for offroad, but good for wanting to upsize for mostly on road use.

Edit: added a few versions of this tire in 265/70R18 and 275/70R18 to the table, but General Tire lists at least four versions of each tire with contradictory specs on the web pages vs. the PDF (they list them in three different places). Looks to be the lightest 275/70R18 option out there, maybe, depending on which version you can set your hands on? Also seems marginal on 3 snowflake rating, some sizes have it, some don't. My takeaway is that until you have one in front of you on a scale you're really not going to know what you'll get.
 
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Markarian421 said:
Oh actually we have a 4th one now, the General Grabber APT:

Discount Tire | Tires and Wheels for Sale | Online & In-Person

It's an OEM Nissan/Infinity tire, and looks very light weight (40 lbs), so maybe not a real contender for offroad, but good for wanting to upsize for mostly on road use.

Edit: added a few versions of this tire in 265/70R18 and 275/70R18 to the table, but General Tire lists at least four versions of each tire with contradictory specs on the web pages vs. the PDF (they list them in three different places). Looks to be the lightest 275/70R18 option out there, maybe, depending on which version you can set your hands on? Also seems marginal on 3 snowflake rating, some sizes have it, some don't. My takeaway is that until you have one in front of you on a scale you're really not going to know what you'll get.
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Perhaps add the General Grabber A/TX as a number of us running the 275/70/18 in that tire?
 
JBLC said:
I'm also obsessing about tires and wanted a non-E rated tire for all the good reasons. I did have the General Grabber AT/x's on my Tacoma and wasn't happy with them in the snow. Did you consider the Nokian Outpost nAT's and the Nitto Terra Grappler G3's? Just wondering what swayed your choice? I bought the Cooper Discoverer Road and Trail's in 265/70/18 and although they are a very nice tire, they just look too small on my LC (I'll be selling them shortly with 1500kms on them).
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Did you have any issues with balancing the Cooper Road and Trails? The shop I bought from has tried balancing mine 3 times and the vibration and shaking between 65-75 mph won’t go away. I’m about to change to a different tire but curious if you had any balance issues with yours?
 
Overtrail Mike said:
I went with KMC IMS 17”x8.5” wheels (KM552MB17856825) and +25mm offset with TOYO Open Country AT/III (285 x 75 R17, 117Q C1 rating). I like the look and ride with these. Additionally this is the largest combination that fits into the spare tire wheel well. 40 psi for wheels on the ground but spare was lowered to 34 psi to fit in wheel well. These are just slightly below 34” diameter.
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Would love to see a full side shot of the LC.
Do they rub at full lock ?
I’ve been looking at the open country tires
 
sjl136 said:
Did you have any issues with balancing the Cooper Road and Trails? The shop I bought from has tried balancing mine 3 times and the vibration and shaking between 65-75 mph won’t go away. I’m about to change to a different tire but curious if you had any balance issues with yours?
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Not at all and they balanced perfectly and I've had them up to warp speed to test as well. I read this comment at least once or twice with every tire manufactured. It appears there are shortcomings in many shops that lack in skills/equipment or from time to time there are issues at the factory in the manufacturing process. This being a new tire I can expect (like our Landcruisers) that the first products off the assembly line may not be 100%.
Having said that......I decided exchange my, almost new, 265/70/18 Cooper R&T's for a set of 275/70/18 General Grabbers in 116 load rating. Loved the Coopers but just wanted them in a slightly larger size which they do not build. My set of 5 for sale with only 1000km's on them.
 
sjl136 said:
Did you have any issues with balancing the Cooper Road and Trails? The shop I bought from has tried balancing mine 3 times and the vibration and shaking between 65-75 mph won’t go away. I’m about to change to a different tire but curious if you had any balance issues with yours?
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Have you tried a different shop? I have the Cooper Road and trails OEM size on 18's; could tell the balance was off. I let discount tire take a shot - they road force balanced and corrected mistakes made by the first installer (all 4 were off by 1.5 oz and two were counter balanced, indicating the first shop cut some corners). DT didn't charge me and it's been butter smooth since.
 
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pickax said:
Have you tried a different shop? I have the Cooper Road and trails OEM size on 18's; could tell the balance was off. I let discount tire take a shot - they road force balanced and corrected mistakes made by the first installer (all 4 were off by 1.5 oz and two were counter balanced, indicating the first shop cut some corners). DT didn't charge me and it's been butter smooth sinc
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pickax said:
Have you tried a different shop? I have the Cooper Road and trails OEM size on 18's; could tell the balance was off. I let discount tire take a shot - they road force balanced and corrected mistakes made by the first installer (all 4 were off by 1.5 oz and two were counter balanced, indicating the first shop cut some corners). DT didn't charge me and it's been butter smooth since.
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Thank you for the input, definitely time to see what a different shop can do. I like the Cooper R+T but I would go to a bigger size in the next tire if these turn out to be a bad set. Just not enough non E options yet in the 275/70 18 size but I would like that little bit of extra height over stock.
 
JBLC said:
Not at all and they balanced perfectly and I've had them up to warp speed to test as well. I read this comment at least once or twice with every tire manufactured. It appears there are shortcomings in many shops that lack in skills/equipment or from time to time there are issues at the factory in the manufacturing process. This being a new tire I can expect (like our Landcruisers) that the first products off the assembly line may not be 100%.
Having said that......I decided exchange my, almost new, 265/70/18 Cooper R&T's for a set of 275/70/18 General Grabbers in 116 load rating. Loved the Coopers but just wanted them in a slightly larger size which they do not build. My set of 5 for sale with only 1000km's on them.
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The General Grabbers in the 275/70 18 were on my short list and if the Coopers turn out to be a bad set I will likely join you with the Grabbers.
 
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