Terrible mileage for a Hybrid and Gas Tank is way too small
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Time for you to trade it in and go buy a Prius.
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yeah, well we did our research, we have a Lexus NX hybrid, its great.. gets 39 MPG and almost 500 miles to a tank... I was expecting something reasonable... we get 16MPG and barely 220 Miles from a Tank... that's sad... so much for a Family Expedition vehicle...
There are many other threads on this. For instance:
Thread 'Does anyone actually get the posted 22/24 mpg?'
Thread 'only getting 16-17 mpg!'
Etc.
On average people get around 21-22 mpg.
Thread 'Does anyone actually get the posted 22/24 mpg?'
Thread 'only getting 16-17 mpg!'
Etc.
On average people get around 21-22 mpg.
Many epa ratings are achieved in conditions we can’t replicate, but Toyota EPA listed mpg for LC250 can seem more off than normal.
That said - my understanding is you are comparing two different hybrid systems - one that is designed for efficiency and one that is designed for performance. LC (and the Sequioa) are both designed to get more torque and HP out of smaller engines than prior generations and rarely deplete the battery for efficiency so that it is always available as a torque boost.
It would have been nice if the truck had a mode that allowed you to run the battery more by sacrificing the torque.
I’ve only had mine a week - when I use the throttle aggressively I run at about 16-17mpg.
I reset the mpg Friday and drive conservatively all weekend and I’m now at 21mpg.
That said - my understanding is you are comparing two different hybrid systems - one that is designed for efficiency and one that is designed for performance. LC (and the Sequioa) are both designed to get more torque and HP out of smaller engines than prior generations and rarely deplete the battery for efficiency so that it is always available as a torque boost.
It would have been nice if the truck had a mode that allowed you to run the battery more by sacrificing the torque.
I’ve only had mine a week - when I use the throttle aggressively I run at about 16-17mpg.
I reset the mpg Friday and drive conservatively all weekend and I’m now at 21mpg.
Yup, it's very bad under some conditions. Pretty good in other conditions. You will see people on here getting anywhere from 13 to 25 on average.
Lots of threads on here talking about it in great detail.
The good news is that for a family expedition vehicle you are likely going to be spending more time in the sweet spot for fuel efficiency - cruising down two lane highways in the middle of nowhere at 50mph.
Around town, in winter, driving 5-10 minutes to the store/school/errands, it is very bad. My Rav4 hybrid drops from ~42mpg to 30mpg in winter as well.
Lots of threads on here talking about it in great detail.
The good news is that for a family expedition vehicle you are likely going to be spending more time in the sweet spot for fuel efficiency - cruising down two lane highways in the middle of nowhere at 50mph.
Around town, in winter, driving 5-10 minutes to the store/school/errands, it is very bad. My Rav4 hybrid drops from ~42mpg to 30mpg in winter as well.
We are all dealing with this. Its a body on frame truck platform (Heavy). I have never purchased a true offroad vehicle with good mpg expectations. These are built to offroad and last, not to be commuters like a Rav4 etc.. You should trade in for Highlander
Yep, discussed ad nauseam here... I would not even think twice about the MPG's if I had 6-7 gallons more fuel!!!
We had a poll a while back which was interesting - Poll: 1000 mile+ LC 250 MPG
Basically 1958 people average a bit higher, but roof rack people are pretty evenly distributed in the 18-23 range.
Anyone experiencing winter right now can go ahead and lob off a few for that average as well. I was wondering this morning while driving the kids to school and averaging 3mpg, how much it would help to have a heated garage. oh well, no room in there with all the bikes.
My main reservation with regards to purchase. My current Cruiser gets about 250 miles out of a tank of gas. So, not seeing an improvement over this with a LC 250. I would like to see Toyota add a bigger gas tank (3-5) gallons/use the Lexus GX 550 tank size in the 250. I really like the new 250 and probably will buy one, but holding off a year or two to see if Toyota will address this and add some more option/upgrades like TRD enhancements.
As others have noted, the larger GX 550 gas tank is a wash given its lower fuel economy....
A larger fuel tank would be nice (we tow a camper and get 12mpg). getting 220 miles w/ 16mpg may be a bit dramatic, since that is around our towing range but a larger tank sure would be nice. Prior to purchase this was known information and it is not the end of the world.
If you were expecting 22-25mpg and you are only getting 16mpg, that is going to be a bit of a shift. BUT when not towing I have been getting north of 21mpg. My highway MPG has been closer to the 22mpg, but I am going 75mph+ with a rolling brick.
If you expect 22mpg or 25mpg (based on city or highway driving) I think that each one of these factors can impact you 1-2 MPG.
- TIRES. 22-25mpg in my opinion is only achievable with the all season tires; expecting that with off road tires (while less than ideal for off road) is delusional.
- How you drive make a BIG difference. I personally have the turbo gauge on the display and you have to realize when the turbo spools up the MPG will drop significantly. Higher speeds, hard(er) acceleration, not rushing to a stop light do not help you get better MPG.
- The ECO mode helps with the MPG since the throttle is adjusted along with the hybrid system and the A/C goes has an ECO mode.
- Premium Gas. While towing on I95 in Georgia (relatively flat) we had to fill-up and use regular which resulted in 9mpg. That section on
- The hybrid is less engaged for the first 1000 or so miles, as it seems to keep the motor on more to help it break itself in.
- To a lesser degree, if you have the roof rack, I would expect a MPG hit there too (if not for the drag, the additional weight).
- Location (higher elevations) tend to have an impact, though the turbo negates some of that.
If you drive it like a little old lady going to the Key West FL Assembly of God on Sunday for the last 10k miles in ECO mode while using premium gas and wearing the Michelin tires and only getting 16mpg I would have a discussion with the Toyota dealer.
Personally, while all these factors above may not be at play, I expect some of them are.
May I ask what size/weight your camper is?
What tires are you running?
We are all having this issue as soon as we move away from the SL tires.
We are all having this issue as soon as we move away from the SL tires.
My contribution to keeping the eternal mpg thread going...
I'm at 600 miles on the odometer and i've noticed mpg gradually improving and more pure electric running as others on here have promised -thank you.
I already get 22mpg during the urban area trips, driving efficiently. This is with rolling hills and mild traffic. Impressive!
On the highway i struggle to get 19mpg at 75mph, but it has been below freezing since we bought the vehicle and I have the stock nitto grapplers -which appear anything but fuel efficient.
Obviously (to me) most Hybrids don't bring much, if any, efficiency to highway driving, so i expected to suffer more on the highway than the city. (More weight, less energy recovery from deceleration).
For us, our Landcruiser is about smiles per miles, comfort, safety, and capability. That's well worth sacrificing a few extra trips to the gas station.
Landcruiser checks all our boxes and we're in love with it, mpg be damned -even though the HVAC/sauna in winter is suboptimal, but manageable thus far.
Granted, for those whining i sympathize, there should be a disclosure stating what options and conditions the vehicle requires to achieve the mpg rating for optimistic customers, but that's more on the EPA, not necessarily Toyota.
I'm at 600 miles on the odometer and i've noticed mpg gradually improving and more pure electric running as others on here have promised -thank you.
I already get 22mpg during the urban area trips, driving efficiently. This is with rolling hills and mild traffic. Impressive!
On the highway i struggle to get 19mpg at 75mph, but it has been below freezing since we bought the vehicle and I have the stock nitto grapplers -which appear anything but fuel efficient.
Obviously (to me) most Hybrids don't bring much, if any, efficiency to highway driving, so i expected to suffer more on the highway than the city. (More weight, less energy recovery from deceleration).
For us, our Landcruiser is about smiles per miles, comfort, safety, and capability. That's well worth sacrificing a few extra trips to the gas station.
Landcruiser checks all our boxes and we're in love with it, mpg be damned -even though the HVAC/sauna in winter is suboptimal, but manageable thus far.
Granted, for those whining i sympathize, there should be a disclosure stating what options and conditions the vehicle requires to achieve the mpg rating for optimistic customers, but that's more on the EPA, not necessarily Toyota.
I'm not aware of any modern OEMs like Toyota offering upsized gas tanks as an option on USA passenger vehicles like the Land Cruiser, because of crash testing/certification that costs millions of $.
Your mileage will not be at its peak until your transmission is warmed up, if you watch the transmission temp, it takes forever to warm up especially in these very cold weeks of January, the oil temp warms up much faster. Anyway if you're doing little 5 to 10 Mile runs around town and that's it, your transmission may never hit efficient operating temp, but if you have a good highway slog ahead of you it will hit that and then when you get back into side roads or the city, you'll hear that battery kicking in a little more often
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