Hybrid longevity

IMO the value of a vehicle is rarity and desirability, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay. Will the 2024 be worth a lot of money in 10-20 years, time will tell........ but if it is, the FE should be worth more than any other LC due to 5000 builds. Low mileage FEs will be worth more. Same goes for the LC Premium pkg and of course the 1958. If customers were able to add individual options it would be a whole new ballgame. And there are always a few people that would pay big dollars for "X" equipped vehicle as it might be their dream vehicle. Most people don't keep a vehicle long enough for it to become rare......... People who had a Hemi Cuda back in the day would probably give up a body part if they could still be the owner as in pristine condition it's worth milions and in rust bucket condition it's still VERY expensive.
 
Time is the unknown. The 4R 4.0 didnt have a stellar start, but became a solid deal after many years like the 22R. Maybe the global 2.4 will be the next 4.0. Its been in the Highlander for couple years now..
 
trek805 said:
Time is the unknown. The 4R 4.0 didnt have a stellar start, but became a solid deal after many years like the 22R. Maybe the global 2.4 will be the next 4.0. Its been in the Highlander for couple years now..
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Been in the NX even longer….
This engine has been around for 4 years. It’s not new whatsoever
 
Not to get too technical but I thought this was an interesting chart about Toyota's battery strategy roadmap. There are different battery technologies (Lithium Ion (Li-ion) vs. Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH)) and sizes used for different purposes.

Our Land Cruiser battery is NiMH and 1.87 kWh. It's purpose is "increased instantaneous power" and not range extension. For comparison, the 2024 Prius Prime plug-in hybrid (PHEV) uses a Lithium Ion battery with 13.6 kWh. capacity. The bX4x all electric (BEV) is Lithium Ion with a capacity of 72.8 kWh so you get the picture.

Another important factor over the Prius models is the Land Cruiser battery in the cargo floor is much easier to access and replace. One of the reasons the Prius replacements are so expensive is the labor to tear apart the interior to swap out the battery.

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PACruiser said:
Not to get too technical but I thought this was an interesting chart about Toyota's battery strategy roadmap. There are different battery technologies (Lithium Ion (Li-ion) vs. Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH)) and sizes used for different purposes.

Our Land Cruiser battery is NiMH and 1.87 kWh. It's purpose is "increased instantaneous power" and not range extension. For comparison, the 2024 Prius Prime plug-in hybrid (PHEV) uses a Lithium Ion battery with 13.6 kWh. capacity. The bX4x all electric (BEV) is Lithium Ion with a capacity of 72.8 kWh so you get the picture.

Another important factor over the Prius models is the Land Cruiser battery in the cargo floor is much easier to access and replace. One of the reasons the Prius replacements are so expensive is the labor to tear apart the interior to swap out the battery.

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Prius Prime also put their battery in the cargo floor just like LC. Today Toyota charge the part of that 8KWH Lithium for close to $10K, together with a few hours of labor to replace it. It will be even higher with the current gen Prius Prime as it comes with 12-13 KWH Lithium battery.

To be honest I am not seeing that NiMH battery to get any cheaper over the year, no matter how much car is using it. But I feel a few thousand dollar repair cost in 10-15 years should be nothing, so really the battery is not signifiant enough to worry about IMO.
 
cvx5832LC said:
This should offer some perspective. He covers most of Toyota’s turbo engines and the reliability they enjoyed.

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Well put together argument with documented references. As much as I have always loved old Land Cruisers, the fact remains, they are old Land Cruisers. And technology keeps moving forward whether we like it or not.
 
Thats a great point the battery is easy to access in LC. Never thought of it that way... I could care less the load floor is a little taller. I was still able to build an overlanding bed in my LC and im 6' 3"
 
jhiller said:
Anyone else have concerns about the longevity of the hybrid system in the new LC ? For many folks LC's are acquire and keep vehicles and I wonder how the battery and electric system will age ?
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No because the warranty exceeds how long I'll keep it.
 
trek805 said:
Thats a great point the battery is easy to access in LC. Never thought of it that way... I could care less the load floor is a little taller. I was still able to build an overlanding bed in my LC and im 6' 3"
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Plus, the space created around the battery is the only significant covered storage in the vehicle.
 
basedMDcruiser said:
I had the same concern, but then I thought about how many old beat up Priuses I see putting around these streets, and then i was no longer concerned.
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This was a friend’s logic in buying a Camry hybrid recently. If they can hold up for half a million miles of city driving taxi use & be economical to repair, they must do just fine as normal cars.
 
jhiller said:
Anyone else have concerns about the longevity of the hybrid system in the new LC ? For many folks LC's are acquire and keep vehicles and I wonder how the battery and electric system will age ?
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I’ve trusted Toyota dependability for 41 years and have no worries. There are two 20+ year old Prius in my neighborhood so I have no concerns
 
PACruiser said:
I sold a 2012 Toyota PHEV Prius I had for 12 years and over 150K miles to get money for the LC :giggle:. I think it was a first generation plug in at the time and it was flawless. Replaced nothing but fluids and consumables on the maintenance schedule and never had a single issue.

If I remember correctly, the LC has an 8 year, 100,000 mile warranty on the hybrid sub-system so I am not very worried. Keep in mind the Prius hybrid system is very different than ours. The I-Force Max was specifically selected for robustness and the ability to still use the well proven drive trains from its traditional 4WD/AWD systems. (gear boxes, transfer cases, drive shafts, differentials etc.)

If you haven't seen it already, the video link below from Toyota provides a nice summary of how the two hybrid systems work, and why they are different.

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Agree on the Prius as flawless for the most part. My experience with a 2010 2nd Gen Prius is that the hybrid drive system failed about 6 years after purchasing it new. Toyota took 2 months to fix it due to supply chain issues for certain manufactured parts. They replaced the entire hybrid system not including the battery with a parts list of over a dozen pages printed front and back under warranty at no cost to me. This is one reason I am personally confident in Toyota having deep enough experience with hybrids to make my J250 extremely reliable.

While my Prius was in the shop,I learned from my local dealership that another Prius arrived at their shop that day with the same problem. But since there were only a few failures of hybrid drives like that across the entire USA, they did not have enough parts manufactured much less stocked in North America to address it right away. The odds must have hugely against such a coincidence if the rarity of the hybrid failure was as they told me.
 
And with Toyota's new approach of shared architectures, a fix on the Tacoma for example, implies a fix for the Land Cruiser, even before the model came out
 
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