Test drove the LC - wanting a bit more performance - future performance upgrades coming?

[starfly]

I test drove the LC and overall really liked it. Love the up high king of the road seating position (coming from a Rav4), it's smooth and comfortable, pretty quiet, and has plenty of low-end torque. I tested the 1958 version. It overall has enough power I guess, almost feels a bit like a Turbo Diesel in terms of power delivery and sound, but I do wish it had a bit more power overall. For such a powerful 326hp engine, I would have expected a bit faster acceleration, and it might be due to the 8-speed transmission gearing, which needs to shift into 3rd gear around 55mph, which takes another split second, kind of slowing the overall acceleration. It feels like for this amount of power this should be more like a sub 7s 0-60 vehicle, but it's closer to 8s 0-60.

Look, before you all start saying "this is a Land Cruiser, not a race car" bla bla, I get that. I'm also not asking for that level of performance, as then I'd just go buy a BMW X5. Just a touch more would make it more satisfying to drive overall. Like the GX550 engine is just a bit more powerful, but it's almost 2 seconds faster 0-60 and it might be largely due to the 10spd transmission in that one. That's kind of what I'm talking about (but I don't want the GX550 because it has horrible fuel economy and also requires premium fuel).

I know this engine is also used in the Lexus RX500h, Tacoma and Grand Highlander. Is it likely that future performance upgrades will come for this engine, such as chip tunes, etc? I would think so, but haven't found anything yet with my Google searches.

Edit: Also talking about after-market upgrades.

 

[cvx5832LC]

I can see an up-spec drivetrain in the LC’s future, why not. I mean the 2.4 is already headed to the GX per Lexus, so not tough to imagine the 3.5 powerplant coming to the LC. And at a 700lb delta vs the GX, that motor will be a hoot in the LC.

 

[Nuke]

Welcome starfly! I agonized in regard to the GX550 vs the LC, and as you, finally decided on the LC. And yes, premium fuel and low MPG were key factors. Also, the GX Overtrail does not have three-zone HVAC, which even the 1958 LC provides.

 

[cvx5832LC]

FYI the fuel requirement is a wash, since both those trucks are specified for premium.

 

[starfly]

FYI the fuel requirement is a wash, since both those trucks are specified for premium.

My understanding was the LC will run just fine on 87?

 

[starfly]

I can see an up-spec drivetrain in the LC’s future, why not. I mean the 2.4 is already headed to the GX per Lexus, so not tough to imagine the 3.5 powerplant coming to the LC. And at a 700lb delta vs the GX, that motor will be a hoot in the LC.

I've also been wondering if I should hold off buying the LC until it's 2 years into its production. These days Toyota initial quality isn't what it used to be and I'm sure there will be some teething issues that'll need to be ironed out. Perhaps a MY26 or MY27 is what I should go for, and meanwhile get something else for a short while (I do really want to get out of my Rav4 that I've been driving for 10 years now).

 

[HarvLC]

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on Toyota to make a significant change to the drivetrain.

The GX needs the engine upgrade to justify its existence, as in the past. And Toyota tends to change very little during a given generation’s life cycle.

Though the LC has a significantly higher 0-60 time than the GX, it keeps pace in more practical tests such as 30-50 or 50-70.

 

[Nuke]

I can see an up-spec drivetrain in the LC’s future, why not. I mean the 2.4 is already headed to the GX per Lexus, so not tough to imagine the 3.5 powerplant coming to the LC. And at a 700lb delta vs the GX, that motor will be a hoot in the LC.

Unfortunately, the trend is not towards larger engines. Fingers crossed, the 2.4 is proving to be a solid mill. However, definitely not going for the Toyota-recommended 10K oil changes! 2/5/5.... etc.

 

[starfly]

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on Toyota to make a significant change to the drivetrain.

The GX needs the engine upgrade to justify its existence, as in the past. And Toyota tends to change very little during a given generation’s life cycle.

Though the LC has a significantly higher 0-60 time than the GX, it keeps pace in more practical tests such as 30-50 or 50-70.

Right. I guess I was more referring to after-market upgrades. Like ECU tunes. For example JB4 makes one for the Tundra:

JB4 for 2022+ Toyota Tundra 3.4L Twin Turbo

Power gains of up to 75hp on a stock vehicle without the risks of flashing! The JB4 is the most advanced and highly featured tuning system available for your 2022+ Toyota Tundra 3.4L. Fast free shipping in the USA. Excellent customer service.

burgertuning.com

Wondering if they'll make one for this drivetrain as well, given that it's used in multiple models. Maybe I should email them.

 

[cvx5832LC]

My understanding was the LC will run just fine on 87?

It runs. I'm currently on a 20-tank test and logging on fuelly. I'm only on tank 4 of that test so it will be a while before I post. That said, my findings so far -

• Fuel: Costco 87 vs Costco 91
• More downshift-happy when rolling into the throttle, such as passing or merging into a freeway
• No less "inspiring" to use since the motor compensates by kicking it down a gear, and the transmission does not hesitate.
• Already noticing a ~0.3 negative MPG variance against premium
• Above negative variance is offset by the positive variance in prices (California, ~$0.55) to net a $0.03 better dollars per mile

Very preliminary conclusions -

• If you're not a fan of 4-banger thrashy motor sounds because of higher RPMs, this one may be a deal breaker
• If you're annoyed by the small tank, using regular will annoy you even more
• I wouldn't hesitate in the least to put regular (or midgrade, for that matter) in a pinch, or if the gas station you happened to stop at has ridiculous prices

 

[D-mac]

The new Lexus LX700h will have a V6 hybrid for 450hp and almost 600 ft-lbs of torque for more punch

 

[RUN-8]

The new Lexus LX700h will have a V6 hybrid for 450hp and almost 600 ft-lbs of torque for more punch

Yep.

The LX700h will also probably start at nearly $130K and will be limited to the small Lexus dealer network.

Not really comparable for most.

 

[RUN-8]

I test drove the LC and overall really liked it. Love the up high king of the road seating position (coming from a Rav4), it's smooth and comfortable, pretty quiet, and has plenty of low-end torque. I tested the 1958 version. It overall has enough power I guess, almost feels a bit like a Turbo Diesel in terms of power delivery and sound, but I do wish it had a bit more power overall. For such a powerful 326hp engine, I would have expected a bit faster acceleration, and it might be due to the 8-speed transmission gearing, which needs to shift into 3rd gear around 55mph, which takes another split second, kind of slowing the overall acceleration. It feels like for this amount of power this should be more like a sub 7s 0-60 vehicle, but it's closer to 8s 0-60.

Look, before you all start saying "this is a Land Cruiser, not a race car" bla bla, I get that. I'm also not asking for that level of performance, as then I'd just go buy a BMW X5. Just a touch more would make it more satisfying to drive overall. Like the GX550 engine is just a bit more powerful, but it's almost 2 seconds faster 0-60 and it might be largely due to the 10spd transmission in that one. That's kind of what I'm talking about (but I don't want the GX550 because it has horrible fuel economy and also requires premium fuel).

I know this engine is also used in the Lexus RX500h, Tacoma and Grand Highlander. Is it likely that future performance upgrades will come for this engine, such as chip tunes, etc? I would think so, but haven't found anything yet with my Google searches.

Edit: Also talking about after-market upgrades.

I have seen new boost tubes to and from the intercooler are available, and a higher flowing air intake are also available. All from AFE. Whether or not significant performance improvements are gained from those alone without some tuning to take advantage of the increased CFM’s is unknown until someone installs them and runs the truck on a dyno before and after.

 

[LCMud]

I test drove the LC and overall really liked it. Love the up high king of the road seating position (coming from a Rav4), it's smooth and comfortable, pretty quiet, and has plenty of low-end torque. I tested the 1958 version. It overall has enough power I guess, almost feels a bit like a Turbo Diesel in terms of power delivery and sound, but I do wish it had a bit more power overall. For such a powerful 326hp engine, I would have expected a bit faster acceleration, and it might be due to the 8-speed transmission gearing, which needs to shift into 3rd gear around 55mph, which takes another split second, kind of slowing the overall acceleration. It feels like for this amount of power this should be more like a sub 7s 0-60 vehicle, but it's closer to 8s 0-60.

Look, before you all start saying "this is a Land Cruiser, not a race car" bla bla, I get that. I'm also not asking for that level of performance, as then I'd just go buy a BMW X5. Just a touch more would make it more satisfying to drive overall. Like the GX550 engine is just a bit more powerful, but it's almost 2 seconds faster 0-60 and it might be largely due to the 10spd transmission in that one. That's kind of what I'm talking about (but I don't want the GX550 because it has horrible fuel economy and also requires premium fuel).

I know this engine is also used in the Lexus RX500h, Tacoma and Grand Highlander. Is it likely that future performance upgrades will come for this engine, such as chip tunes, etc? I would think so, but haven't found anything yet with my Google searches.

Edit: Also talking about after-market upgrades.

It’s been mentioned elsewhere that the LC drives completely different (much more responsive) in sport mode. It’s the only vehicle I’ve had with such a difference. In normal mode there seems to be 10 degrees or more of dead initial pedal travel plus higher gear selection. It’s more like an eco mode. I would try sport before an ECU tune it really transforms the car.

 

[LcAz]

Buy a Raptor or a Jeep 392. The LC performs really well in the power department for what it is. I hope they dont do any performance mods as this will decrease reliability. After having owned 3 raptors which I loved, I have no desire for a faster accelerating offroad masterpiece.

 

[Tom Cruiser]

Buy a Raptor or a Jeep 392. The LC performs really well in the power department for what it is. I hope they dont do any performance mods as this will decrease reliability. After having owned 3 raptors which I loved, I have no desire for a faster accelerating offroad masterpiece.

0-60 is just to show off and a red light.

 

[HammerTheWall]

The age-old question of "how can I get more speed and power but still have great fuel economy and not need premium fuel". I'm sure there will be aftermarket upgrades coming out, but speed and power always come at a price. Always.

 

[jnsplace]

The mode suggestion is really a good idea. It wouldn't surprise me if your test drive was in ECO. Did the same thing to my CanAM when I got it, put that sucker off ECO mode, didn't need it to throttle down or even out in power...not a bike.

My test drive was great. I had curves, bumps, street and freeway and felt it performed just like my V6 Subie. That said, I could feel the acceleration was smooth not punchy like my past car(s). Will be interesting what I choose once I get past break in.

 

[racer01]

Agree with the Raptor comment. Added a 2024 F-150 Raptor to supplement my 1958 and although and expensive fix, it works wonders! Also have a buddy with a 392 and that thing is a riot.
Burger Tuning already has a beta version of their "Juice Box" tuner for the non hybrid Tacoma that adds about 60 hp at the wheels so I'd imagine they will eventually have something for the hybrids. JB4 for 2024+ Toyota Tacoma 2.4L Turbo BETA

Me personally have kinda outgrown the headache and potential warranty loss with tuning so definitely would advice buying something that fits your needs from the factory vs. relying on aftermarket. Seems a used GX550 would be perfect? I had a 23' TRD Pro Tundra and that powertrain is really something special (except for tendency to spin a main bearing....)

After 5k miles I still think the 1958 feels perfectly adequate in acceleration in most scenarios. Feels downright quick at part throttle and around town. Only disappoints when you realize there is not much left when you go WOT.

 

[starfly]

The mode suggestion is really a good idea. It wouldn't surprise me if your test drive was in ECO. Did the same thing to my CanAM when I got it, put that sucker off ECO mode, didn't need it to throttle down or even out in power...not a bike.

My test drive was great. I had curves, bumps, street and freeway and felt it performed just like my V6 Subie. That said, I could feel the acceleration was smooth not punchy like my past car(s). Will be interesting what I choose once I get past break in.

Ha, I was definitely testing it in sport mode. I’ve never liked eco mode in Toyotas, all it does is delay throttle input so you need to push the accelerator farther to get the same response as in Normal. Doesn’t actually save any gas.