In Praise Of... The Mis-Cast and Misunderstood LC250

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I feel compelled to write a review for the LC250 after seeing so many negative or mixed reviews and having recently had a loaner Tundra non-Hybrid with the GX550 engine for 5 days. I have sit in the Lexus GX550 at the dealer and in a neighbor's and have now driven (in the form of the Tundra) that drivetrain (albeit the North American produced version and not the Japanese assembled version) and came away with several take-aways. For starters, that Tundra engine is butter smooth and accordingly, the soundtrack is deep, throaty and akin to the sound of ripping velvet. It's a lively motor with a relatively linear response and you can clearly feel the hole-shot acceleration from a dead-stop in a way the LC250 does not have. While it was a loaner vehicle, I never drove it like it wasn't my own and in the 5 days of mixed highway and local driving, I was getting 12.4 MPGs. The car was on Falken Wildpeaks and they were 3-ply 35" but the mileage was abysmal. Fun sounds and smooth power delivery but those MPGs are not for me.

People often say, given the price and similarities, the GX550 is the clear winner over the LC250. It's not for everyone, but for me, that is definitely not the case. I don't need to consistently tow over 6k lbs. The LC250 iForce Max powertrain is coarse and it sounds gruff and clattery... like a turbo-diesel. One of my neighbors drives a BMW turbo-diesel wagon so I hear that clatter often and it reminds me of many adventures abroad where diesels abound. I often read people complaining about the LC250 not offering the twin-turbo 6 from the GX550 or that they wish the non-U.S. market turbo diesel drivetrain was an option in North America. For the former, I feel like you should just buy the GX550 and be happy and for the latter, the existing powertrain offering is pretty much the sound, feel and delivery of a turbo diesel in the form of a gasoline engine. In fact, it very much reminds me of the power and sound of the prior gen turbo diesel Prados I rented and drove in Costa Rica and Iceland over the years... not super quick but powerful and with lots of grunty low-end which suits their use case in those environments and most rugged terrain driving. The styling of the Land Cruiser, it being a Toyota and not a Lexus and the interior materials (real leather for higher trims vs Nu Luxe) and layout (more buttons), upper rear passenger air vents (better for rear-facing kid car seats) much better suits my tastes and needs. The Land Cruiser feels like a very nice but still utilitarian tool car vs a more opulent and overtly stylized (but still handsome) car like the Lexus. I really dislike how wide and low the front grill of the GX550 sits but think the colors they offer it in are nice.

My LC250 is sitting on E-Load rated 285 70 R18 tires, has a roof rack, rock sliders, and skid plates and when I drive it in Eco mode and drive smoothly, I am still averaging 18-21 in the city and 22-24 MPGs on the flatter highways. Today I did an hour drive (44 miles in each direction) to the mountains and was getting 14.72 MPGs (corrected for tire size) on the way out and climbing up the mountain to the lake and 42.26 MPGs on the way back down for a round trip average of 21.84 MPGs. Anytime I need to call on power to keep my car moving (even at higher elevation) or to overtake others, it has plenty of power. To me, the diesel like power delivery, clattery sounds... all if it has character and the drivetrain seems fit for purpose if you want a rugged and utilitarian go-anywhere BOF SUV. I think many of the most critical reviews of this car come from people who have very different needs and expectations which isn't entirely their fault, since the LC 200 and LC 300 are much more comfort focused offerings, but to me this LC250 is plenty nice while still remaining functionally utilitarian and nimble and I think Toyota hit it out of the park.

*Edited the MPGs achieved on the drive round trip as I used simple AVG vs calculating the actual round trip AVG and my car setup details.
 
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I'm still really confused about the power/engine complaints, but then again I've only driven 4-cylinders and a straight 6. Aside from the raspy engine noise initially, all I hear is turbo and electric motor, and it sounds fine.
 
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I feel compelled to write a review for the LC250 after seeing so many negative or mixed reviews and having recently had a loaner Tundra non-Hybrid with the GX550 engine for 5 days. I have sit in the Lexus GX550 at the dealer and in a neighbor's and have now driven (in the form of the Tundra) that drivetrain (albeit the North American produced version and not the Japanese assembled version) and came away with several take-aways. For starters, that Tundra engine is butter smooth and accordingly, the soundtrack is deep, throaty and akin to the sound of ripping velvet. It's a lively motor with a relatively linear response and you can clearly feel the hole-shot acceleration from a dead-stop in a way the LC250 does not have. While it was a loaner vehicle, I never drove it like it wasn't my own and in the 5 days of mixed highway and local driving, I was getting 12.4 MPGs. The car was on Falken Wildpeaks and they were 3-ply 35" but the mileage was abysmal. Fun sounds and smooth power delivery but those MPGs are not for me.

People often say, given the price and similarities, the GX550 is the clear winner over the LC250. It's not for everyone, but for me, that is definitely not the case. I don't need to consistently tow over 6k lbs. The LC250 iForce Max powertrain is coarse and it sounds gruff and clattery... like a turbo-diesel. One of my neighbors drives a BMW turbo-diesel wagon so I hear that clatter often and it reminds me of many adventures abroad where diesels abound. I often read people complaining about the LC250 not offering the twin-turbo 6 from the GX550 or that they wish the non-U.S. market turbo diesel drivetrain was an option in North America. For the former, I feel like you should just buy the GX550 and be happy and for the latter, the existing powertrain offering is pretty much the sound, feel and delivery of a turbo diesel in the form of a gasoline engine. In fact, it very much reminds me of the power and sound of the prior gen turbo diesel Prados I rented and drove in Costa Rica and Iceland over the years... not super quick but powerful and with lots of grunty low-end which suits their use case in those environments and most rugged terrain driving. The styling of the Land Cruiser, it being a Toyota and not a Lexus and the interior materials (real leather for higher trims vs Nu Luxe) and layout (more buttons), upper rear passenger air vents (better for rear-facing kid car seats) much better suits my tastes and needs. The Land Cruiser feels like a very nice but still utilitarian tool car vs a more opulent and overtly stylized (but still handsome) car like the Lexus. I really dislike how wide and low the front grill of the GX550 sits but think the colors they offer it in are nice.

My LC250 is sitting on E-Load rated 285 70 R18 tires and when I drive it in Eco mode and drive smoothly, I am still averaging 18-21 in the city and 22-24 MPGs on the flatter highways. Today I did an hour drive (44 miles in each direction) to the mountains and was getting 14.72 MPGs (corrected for tire size) on the way out and climbing up the mountain to the lake and 42.26 MPGs on the way back down for a round trip average of 28.49 MPGs. Anytime I need to call on power to keep my car moving (even at higher elevation) or to overtake others, it has plenty of power. To me, the diesel like power delivery, clattery sounds... all if it has character and the drivetrain seems fit for purpose if you want a rugged and utilitarian go-anywhere BOF SUV. I think many of the most critical reviews of this car come from people who have very different needs and expectations which isn't entirely their fault, since the LC 200 and LC 300 are much more comfort focused offerings, but to me this LC250 is plenty nice while still remaining functionally utilitarian and nimble and I think Toyota hit it out of the park.
Yep. It’s like having a vehicle with character or something bland even if ostensibly better equipped. I’m loving mine. Reminds me a lot of my 2012 pathfinder, but with the benefits of not being a 20 year old design.
 
i did not know the GX did not have the headliner vents - i thought that was the reason the LC had them.
 
i did not know the GX did not have the headliner vents - i thought that was the reason the LC had them.
Pretty sure the GX DOES have the headliner vents............ I test drove one and checked that because I haul my dog with me a lot and a separate rear air with good vents was necessary! That eliminated the 4Rs for me - because their rear air temp is the same as the front temp, and on lower models you have one temp for the entire vehicle. I think as the higher models become available (and may be more readily available now) that might change on some of the higher end versions.
 
Pretty sure the GX DOES have the headliner vents............ I test drove one and checked that because I haul my dog with me a lot and a separate rear air with good vents was necessary! That eliminated the 4Rs for me - because their rear air temp is the same as the front temp, and on lower models you have one temp for the entire vehicle. I think as the higher models become available (and may be more readily available now) that might change on some of the higher end versions.
No overhead vents on the OT trim.
 
No overhead vents on the OT trim.
Yup, only the on-road GX’s have overhead vents. It is a strange choice by Lexus. It makes the GX a non-option for me and I imagine many others. The off-road model seems like the one you especially would want the tri-zone three-row HVAC in for camping and pets, apparently Lexus thinks otherwise. Really enjoying the LC250 though, by far my favorite vehicle I've ever had.
 
Yup, only the on-road GX’s have overhead vents. It is a strange choice by Lexus. It makes the GX a non-option for me and I imagine many others. The off-road model seems like the one you especially would want the tri-zone three-row HVAC in for camping and pets, apparently Lexus thinks otherwise. Really enjoying the LC250 though, by far my favorite vehicle I've ever had.
Interesting- does seem very ironic they did that! Especially considering they had to redesign the ventilation for just that one model! And, I agree, it is much easier just to cool the rear of the suv with the vents spread down the sides than just ventilation from between the seats only which is what I assume they went with. SMH ...... I wonder what some of the engineers are thinking some days bc just he amount spent to redesign and manufacture that one model differently has to be significant.
 
Interesting- does seem very ironic they did that! Especially considering they had to redesign the ventilation for just that one model! And, I agree, it is much easier just to cool the rear of the suv with the vents spread down the sides than just ventilation from between the seats only which is what I assume they went with. SMH ...... I wonder what some of the engineers are thinking some days bc just he amount spent to redesign and manufacture that one model differently has to be significant.
It is because LC offered in the US is built on a 3-row assembly pipeline, same with 3-row GX trims and overseas 3-row LCs that have overhead vents. It is also why we have 3rd USP ports without having seats there.

Not sure why, but I assume this it is made this way to optimize assembly process. Perhaps it is easier to install hybrid components on to vehicles being build on 3-row pipelines. Or since so few non-3-row LC are offered on global scale (as I think vast majority are 3-row outside of NA) That Toyota doesn’t bother to move it to a different assembly pipeline due to cost.
 
I think the LC250 is great and the powertrain is perfect for the vehicle’s purpose. The engine behaves very much like a diesel with the respect to where the power is the RPM curve. I suspect that people who complain about the power might be trying to drive them the same way they drive other cars. Including Doug DeMuro who should know better. If you can keep the RPMs on these under about 3500, they are actually pretty snappy.

My other car is a Porsche, which has an engine with pretty much the opposite characteristics, and when people drive that car and do not know how, they are also often a little underwhelmed. You have to move that car above 3000 RPM for it to show you anything, but it will keep showing it to you all the way to redline and actually feels faster and faster the higher the RPMs get - long after big pony car V8s tap out.

The one thing Toyota probably could have done better is the engine note. Not only does it sound like a 4 cylinder, but it sounds like a pretty boring one. I chalk it up as part of the vehicle’s charm, but I can understand how it may be offputting to others.

If you ever have a chance, drive a BMW with their 4 cylinder engine. Those sound amazing - growly, guttural, a bit angry. It can be done better than Toyota did it.
 
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I just took mine on an 800 mile road trip to the Eastern Sierras. Fast smooth and comfortable on the freeway, plenty of power for all the mountain passes. And extremely competent on the trails we drove. And when we got back I wiped all that hard black plastic with a micro fiber towel and some 303 and looks brand new again!
 
It is because LC offered in the US is built on a 3-row assembly pipeline, same with 3-row GX trims and overseas 3-row LCs that have overhead vents. It is also why we have 3rd USP ports without having seats there.

Not sure why, but I assume this it is made this way to optimize assembly process. Perhaps it is easier to install hybrid components on to vehicles being build on 3-row pipelines. Or since so few non-3-row LC are offered on global scale (as I think vast majority are 3-row outside of NA) That Toyota doesn’t bother to move it to a different assembly pipeline due to cost.
Which is why it makes even less sense that Lexus did this to design a special 2 row version of the GX
 
I just took mine on an 800 mile road trip to the Eastern Sierras. Fast smooth and comfortable on the freeway, plenty of power for all the mountain passes. And extremely competent on the trails we drove. And when we got back I wiped all that hard black plastic with a micro fiber towel and some 303 and looks brand new again!
What is 303?
 
I'd never heard of it either, someone mentioned it on a thread, it's an interior cleaner/ protectant. Got it off Amazon for like 12 bucks makes the plastic look great, non greasy, not shiny, just good. We got acres of plastic in the 1958s. I guess it's been around forever.
 
I don't like the looks of the GX and would not buy one. To my eyes, the LC has far better styling than the GX.
Regarding the LC engine, time will tell. If it proves free of major issues and has good longevity, great.
 
I think you nailed the review.

The LC250 is exactly what I wanted, which may not be what others want. (Okay, a little more interior storage and 2 more gallons in the tank would be nice, but let's not split hairs).

The LC is as capable as I will need off-road given my level of capability (said another way, anything the LC can't do I shouldn't be trying), but is still more than capable as a daily driver.

As a guy who used to drive ships for the Navy, it fits right in line with the traditional role of a Cruiser: heavy enough to outfight anything that could keep up with it, and fast enough to outrun anything that could outfight it. The LC is able to stand toe to toe (or better) on daily driving with anything that can perform the same off road, and anything that's a better daily driver isn't going to match its off road capability.

I'm sure there is an exception or two out there that someone can find, but doubtfully with Toyota reliability.
 
If you ever have a chance, drive a BMW with their 4 cylinder engine. Those sound amazing - growly, guttural, a bit angry. It can be done better than Toyota did it.
I have driven BMW turbo 4s and agree that those are smoother sounding (and running) and get why even just a smooth sound vs one that sounds clattery probably appeals to more people overall. But for me, that sound and smoothness is appropriate for a German sports sedan but absolutely out of place in a rugged BOF truck if it has to be coarse and clattery vs smooth and angry. Given the personality of a Land Cruiser, the more agricultural and diesel like sound suits it fine, but I'm likely in the minority with this opinion given I am an enthusiast vs. the plain down the fairway buyer who doesn't care about lineage, purpose, etc and just thinks "this is a somewhat expensive car and I could have bought a _______ (fill in the smooth crossover) for the same price and its got a smooth and quiet engine".
 
Try driving the LC250 in Normal over Eco mode. For whatever reason, I get better MPGs in Normal (25-26 on highway), granted I'm fully stock right now (street tires) save for a Westcott roof rack
 
Try driving the LC250 in Normal over Eco mode. For whatever reason, I get better MPGs in Normal (25-26 on highway), granted I'm fully stock right now (street tires) save for a Westcott roof rack
My understanding is that eco should only be used in city (slow stop and go) driving and will give the best MPG in that situation. And normal will give the best MPG in highway driving.
 
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