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Strawman argument. I never said it sucks. Why would I be shopping for one then? My asserted belief, however, was that the asking prices were too high due to temporary supply conditions and would be coming down for the patient. So far, that's 100% correct.

If you like paying dealers more... then just pay them what they want, be happy, and move on. No need to argue with people who won't. Strange hill to die on

I'm sure they were at some point

BaT was $5K over 78. eBay is currently less than that at $81k. The fact that real-world auctions barely yield $5K when dealers think it's worth 10-20K shows me that it's already missing demand expectations out of the gate

One of the largest Toyota brokers in the Northeast.. price applies to lease or purchase. Offers some nationwide shipping. Give him a text: https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/may-toyota-all-states-dealers-nationwide-deals-below-invoice-24-taco-4k-off-tundra-upto-8k-off-best-pricing-usa/106422/8071

Brokers are already offering 1958's at $2K off MSRP, GX550? Not so much. So I guess some do care, and the adjustments have begun!

The argument was not actual purchase prices, the argument was which customer base was seen by dealers as the one most susceptible to jacked-up prices. If Toyota is attempting 20K markups, then there's your answer.

I actually think there’s a market division in North America: 4Runners are targeted to a pure off-roader market, LC’s and the like were sold as off-road capable family movers/camping dad cars. I think the stigma you talk about applies more to Toyota than to Lexus today: Who’s getting charged more...

Because they are still rolling out. It would be an absolute disaster for them if that wasn’t the case when cars weren’t even on the lot. These are the very definition of temporary conditions and no way indicative of long-term interest

I think the combo of No 3rd row - eliminates it as a large family hauler Powertrain - a turnoff to Landcruiser purists to have a 4cyl hybrid GX550 cannibalistic competition: Luxury plus simple powertrain and a KDSS option to fix some handling issues Interest rates/economy/price point All will...

Actually, if MPGs don't matter - then seriously look at the GX550 instead. A bit more refined, a bit more tech, a less complex powertrain... all at roughly the same price. I would have bought one already if it didn't make me sick that the trip computer read a maximum of 11 mpg during my test drive.

All I know is I said I was ready to purchase at MSRP, and the reply was "this one is not going to work based on that"

Too bad about no third row - could have a whole band!

Can I play too?!: If you can afford the car, you don't need a warranty, you can afford the repairs. If you can afford the car, you don't need locking diffs and disconnecting stabilizer bars. You can afford someone to tow you when you're stuck. If you can afford the car, you can afford to pay...

Guess this is a dealer charging ADMs based on contacting them. Should point that out

Just drove a GX550 and it felt... lumbering. The V6 was surprisingly slow to respond and felt mushy. Still going to try a Land Cruiser but if the driving feel really is the same between the two as the video states, then might sit this one out